Message from @femboyrevolutionary

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2018-06-02 09:54:20 UTC  

Liberals don't believe that. They have faith in their partisan politics n shit

2018-06-02 09:54:38 UTC  

So, the rights of the individual over the rules of society, that sort of thing?

2018-06-02 09:55:22 UTC  

No, the society is a reflection of the Individuals, not Individuals being a reflection of society

2018-06-02 09:56:24 UTC  

I understand where you're coming from with your claim however

2018-06-02 09:56:27 UTC  

By rules of society, I'm referring to things like homosexuality. For example, do you put the right of a gay couple to practice over the society that bars it

2018-06-02 10:11:35 UTC  

No, because my idea of a society is different to which the rules of that interaction don't apply. Society is a reflection of the masses, in which decisions and policies are made by all Individuals in said society through Consensus. That means the gay couple would have a say in how the society is run and the policies that affect them. Because of this, more human interaction and communication between different peoples is required. Intolerance for things such as homosexuality would therefore decrease, given interaction between homosexuals and non-homosexuals would be necessary. Social Conservatism is a biproduct of a vertically organized society, in which different hierarchial units compete and utilize different methods of keeping power, including divide and conquer. The system behind a Liberal society is the same as every other: hierarchy still exists, Social Conservatism will exist to a degree. Horizontal Organization requires social tolerance to thrive, and success in said society isn't done through Competition but cooperation. That means cooperating with various groups and peoples is required to better our current material and social conditions. Information about different cultures and the exchange of knowledge on such a radical scale will kill the whole idea of intolerance. So, essentially what you think Anarchy is isn't what it is. It's not bound by the Human relation laws that vertical organization inherently possesses, it's an entirely different system in on it's own. Liberalism runs in the same system as everyone else, just with more pressure on tolerance. The biproduct of a society, such as Capitalism and the State, which require Competition to better our conditions, is greed, and greed requires intolerance. The biproduct of the Anarchist horizontal method isn't greed. Cooperation is required to better our condition, which is the goal for every Human to achieve. Therefore, intolerance would be scarce within years.

2018-06-02 10:14:35 UTC  

Oh, this is disgusting. The proposed abolition of tradition, the destruction of cultures. This is textbook liberalism, individual rights, minority rights, secularism, no doubt.

2018-06-02 10:14:46 UTC  

Liberalism and Anarchism have similarities on social positions, but what completely separates them are the systems these goals are achieved in.

2018-06-02 10:16:27 UTC  

What stops the society from lynching the gay couple?

2018-06-02 10:16:34 UTC  

But, it isn't Liberalism because you say it is. That comment only shows me you understand very little about what Liberalism actually is, how it works, and it's goals. Anarchism obviously struggles for Individual liberty, how this is done is DIFFERENT from liberalism. An ideology isn't determined by it's goals, but by it's methods to achieve them

2018-06-02 10:16:43 UTC  

Goals are only half the battle

2018-06-02 10:17:46 UTC  

The goals of Communism and Anarchism are systemically identical. How they are achieved is different, making them different ideologies altogether

2018-06-02 10:21:44 UTC  

anarchism is communism without any form of strategy

2018-06-02 10:22:19 UTC  

No, it isn't

2018-06-02 10:23:06 UTC  

How would anarchism be established?

2018-06-02 10:23:09 UTC  

don't take it personally, I mostly am ok with anarchists, I am just really always disappointed when it gets to define how a revolution needs to be carried out

2018-06-02 10:23:32 UTC  

but it's ok because our goal is the same and we have the same enemy

2018-06-02 10:24:12 UTC  

Both communism and anarchism are dead ideologies. Either they've never occurred, were destroyed by the forces of liberal capitalism, or became subverted and liberalized themselves.

2018-06-02 10:24:59 UTC  

anarchists think that since revolution is carried out, everything is ok and we can do anarchism, which is ignoring theclass contradictions that still will be inherent in society, and that we need to fix it in a large scale

2018-06-02 10:25:36 UTC  

every anarchist revolution in history had to make authoritarian decisions because they cant' keep it up by being entirely true to their ideals to make it work

2018-06-02 10:25:43 UTC  

I think Anarchists need a Revolutionary theory that is more planned out than some fucking insurrection

2018-06-02 10:25:56 UTC  

DotP is necessary

2018-06-02 10:26:04 UTC  

You LITERALLY can't have ANY revolution without a bit of authority bro

2018-06-02 10:26:17 UTC  

that's why you need to become marxist 😉

2018-06-02 10:26:19 UTC  

Even an Anarchist Revolution needs some authority

2018-06-02 10:26:47 UTC  

Anarchism is a critique of unjustified hierarchy. I'm pretty sure a temporary revokable Revolutionary council is justified

2018-06-02 10:27:02 UTC  

revolution isn't a gala -Mao

2018-06-02 10:27:15 UTC  

No it isn't. Revolution is a struggle

2018-06-02 10:27:21 UTC  

how is that different from Dictator ship of the proletariat?

2018-06-02 10:27:27 UTC  

Struggles need coordination and planning

2018-06-02 10:27:30 UTC  

It isn't

2018-06-02 10:27:33 UTC  

like revokable revolutionary council

2018-06-02 10:27:42 UTC  

it's litteraly the definition of the DotP¨

2018-06-02 10:27:54 UTC  

That's because it is DotP

2018-06-02 10:28:26 UTC  

so you are a communist at some degree

2018-06-02 10:28:40 UTC  

I have a different take on Anarchism than most Anarchists. I'm a class struggle Anarchist with lots of LibMarx inspiration

2018-06-02 10:28:46 UTC  

ok!

2018-06-02 10:28:59 UTC  

have you read state and the revolution?

2018-06-02 10:29:08 UTC  

could be interesting for you if you haven't

2018-06-02 10:29:40 UTC  

DotP under Libertarian Marxist institutions fits within the Anarchist critique of unjustified hierarchy. As long as it can be dismantled by the masses at their will, it's justified

2018-06-02 10:29:56 UTC  

yeah, well that's marxism for you