Message from @Huey Long
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When I say "the shit" I mean "the norm"
I personally hate Liberalism
The funniest thing, it's not getting them more converts. They're sucking up to liberals for no good reason other than to stay afloat
Liberalism is just Capitalism with a rainbow
I dunno, anarchism seems to be liberalism to an extreme.
liberals are fuckin socialist soy bois
Other way around bubba
Bitch, Anarchists hate Liberals. Liberals literally take any stance previously Anarchist or Socialist and turn it into a marketing campaign
Liberals steal from us bro
You're still liberal though, in a Duginist sense.
Anarchists and Socialists literally started progressivism, they just use it to make money
No. I'm. Not.
Calling me a liberal doesn't make me one. Idealistically, the only thing me and Liberals have in common is the fact we aren't Authoritarians. Other than that, we're different asf. Liberal are fake in every sense of the word. Hell, they aren't even progressive.
You believe in the rights of the individual, right?
Yes
I believe in Individuals being able to rule themselves
Liberals don't believe that. They have faith in their partisan politics n shit
So, the rights of the individual over the rules of society, that sort of thing?
No, the society is a reflection of the Individuals, not Individuals being a reflection of society
I understand where you're coming from with your claim however
By rules of society, I'm referring to things like homosexuality. For example, do you put the right of a gay couple to practice over the society that bars it
No, because my idea of a society is different to which the rules of that interaction don't apply. Society is a reflection of the masses, in which decisions and policies are made by all Individuals in said society through Consensus. That means the gay couple would have a say in how the society is run and the policies that affect them. Because of this, more human interaction and communication between different peoples is required. Intolerance for things such as homosexuality would therefore decrease, given interaction between homosexuals and non-homosexuals would be necessary. Social Conservatism is a biproduct of a vertically organized society, in which different hierarchial units compete and utilize different methods of keeping power, including divide and conquer. The system behind a Liberal society is the same as every other: hierarchy still exists, Social Conservatism will exist to a degree. Horizontal Organization requires social tolerance to thrive, and success in said society isn't done through Competition but cooperation. That means cooperating with various groups and peoples is required to better our current material and social conditions. Information about different cultures and the exchange of knowledge on such a radical scale will kill the whole idea of intolerance. So, essentially what you think Anarchy is isn't what it is. It's not bound by the Human relation laws that vertical organization inherently possesses, it's an entirely different system in on it's own. Liberalism runs in the same system as everyone else, just with more pressure on tolerance. The biproduct of a society, such as Capitalism and the State, which require Competition to better our conditions, is greed, and greed requires intolerance. The biproduct of the Anarchist horizontal method isn't greed. Cooperation is required to better our condition, which is the goal for every Human to achieve. Therefore, intolerance would be scarce within years.
Oh, this is disgusting. The proposed abolition of tradition, the destruction of cultures. This is textbook liberalism, individual rights, minority rights, secularism, no doubt.
Liberalism and Anarchism have similarities on social positions, but what completely separates them are the systems these goals are achieved in.
What stops the society from lynching the gay couple?
But, it isn't Liberalism because you say it is. That comment only shows me you understand very little about what Liberalism actually is, how it works, and it's goals. Anarchism obviously struggles for Individual liberty, how this is done is DIFFERENT from liberalism. An ideology isn't determined by it's goals, but by it's methods to achieve them
Goals are only half the battle
The goals of Communism and Anarchism are systemically identical. How they are achieved is different, making them different ideologies altogether
anarchism is communism without any form of strategy
No, it isn't
How would anarchism be established?
don't take it personally, I mostly am ok with anarchists, I am just really always disappointed when it gets to define how a revolution needs to be carried out
but it's ok because our goal is the same and we have the same enemy
Both communism and anarchism are dead ideologies. Either they've never occurred, were destroyed by the forces of liberal capitalism, or became subverted and liberalized themselves.
anarchists think that since revolution is carried out, everything is ok and we can do anarchism, which is ignoring theclass contradictions that still will be inherent in society, and that we need to fix it in a large scale
every anarchist revolution in history had to make authoritarian decisions because they cant' keep it up by being entirely true to their ideals to make it work
I think Anarchists need a Revolutionary theory that is more planned out than some fucking insurrection
DotP is necessary
You LITERALLY can't have ANY revolution without a bit of authority bro
that's why you need to become marxist 😉
Even an Anarchist Revolution needs some authority