Message from @svpreme

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2018-06-16 19:16:47 UTC  

they are anti interventionist

2018-06-16 19:16:59 UTC  

at least were

you can't have a 'non global' capitalist economic system.

what the hell is 'capitalism in one country'

2018-06-16 19:17:27 UTC  

paleoconservatism with like

2018-06-16 19:17:35 UTC  

trade

2018-06-16 19:17:53 UTC  

maybe protectionism idk specifically in what they believe there

Free trade is done in a way that keeps the third-world poor
and the first world rich, The west literally engineered a return to primary commodity exports in Africa using 'free market policy'

2018-06-16 19:18:44 UTC  

whether or not it could be accomplished i think paleocons oppose outsourcing too

Then they would be anti-capitalist, but they are not.

Outsourcing is a result of the profit motive

there are inherent contradictions in capitalism that you cannot resolve with 'more' capitalism.

2018-06-16 19:19:32 UTC  

they see outsourcing as produced by statism

2018-06-16 19:19:39 UTC  

however true that is

2018-06-16 19:19:58 UTC  

like regulations and allowing them to do it

2018-06-16 19:20:02 UTC  

lack of tariffa

2018-06-16 19:20:06 UTC  

tarrifs*

because that's bad for the profit motive

US workers, and western workers are just too expensive

unless they want to accept a drastic decrease in quality of life they cannot fight the profit motive of capitalism.

2018-06-16 19:20:54 UTC  

like i said they will insist that the costs are made higher by state intervention in markets

2018-06-16 19:21:24 UTC  

maybe there are mises articles on it or somethint

tbh state, utopia, and anarchy is a good book on libertarian philosophy, i'll read it again probably

2018-06-16 19:22:15 UTC  

who is that one by

Robert Nozick

the havard libertarian professor

2018-06-16 19:22:28 UTC  

oh yeah

2018-06-16 19:23:10 UTC  

All these "Blocked Messages" lol

you blocked someone?

weak

also

anyone who blocks someone else still reads all the messages lmao

2018-06-16 19:32:13 UTC  

im pretty late in the conversation but

2018-06-16 19:32:20 UTC  

in the US, liberals are considered the embodyment of the left wing

2018-06-16 19:32:30 UTC  

just as convervatives are considered the embodyment of the right wing

@Perpetual Moral Imbalance I got that from
```Other words, such as “liberal,” had
been originally identified with laissez-faire libertarians, but had
been captured by left-wing statists```
but it still trips over the fundamental fallacy that statism =/= anti-capitalist and assumes the state cannot be used as a tool bythe capitalists. Which is why i find it dumb when Americans attack me for pointing out the democrats are 'right-wing.' I'm using a broader, more useful political spectrum that's based in the reality that something like 'state monopoly capitalism' exists.

2018-06-16 19:38:17 UTC  

tbf its under democrats that corporate america is going to establish its hegemony

^HOLY CRAP THIS

2018-06-16 19:39:04 UTC  

I mean, both parties play their role.

I mean democrats can at least **make concessions to the working class**

but we can see those concessions are either too little