Message from @svpreme

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```One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that,
for the first time in my memory, we, “our side,” had captured a
crucial word from the enemy. Other words, such as “liberal,” had
been originally identified with laissez-faire libertarians, but had
been captured by left-wing statists, forcing us in the 1940s to call
ourselves rather feebly “true” or “classical” liberals.15 “Libertarians,”
in contrast, had long been simply a polite word for left-wing
anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the
communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over,
and more properly from the view of etymology; since we were proponents
of individual liberty and therefore of the individual’s right
to his property``` @ajsbeast

,my favourite part is rothbard thinks 'liberals' are left wing statists 😂

2018-06-16 19:06:09 UTC  

in america the hyper individualist strand of libertarianism is a new development

2018-06-16 19:09:30 UTC  

also would you consider social democrats left or right

social democrats are right wing

they perserve capitalism lol

2018-06-16 19:11:21 UTC  

they at least think they can use it to the advantage of the worse off

so basically they say they will fight racism, inequality, sexism, etc
while preserving the system that perpetuates the culture that create these social relations.
Ahh jeez there's a word for that... Virtue signalling.

2018-06-16 19:12:26 UTC  

its like in a capitalist context left wing

2018-06-16 19:13:25 UTC  

yeah theyre naive no matter how things work

"in a capitalist context left wing."
The dichotomy between 'the state' and 'capitalism' is a false one
Capitalism can use the state to further its goals because the state is only a tool
hence we arrive at state monopoly capitalism.

2018-06-16 19:14:15 UTC  

further its goals in what way

>imperialism (iraq, syria, libya)
>globalization of capitalism

2018-06-16 19:15:27 UTC  

yeah but thats more of an analysis of how things play out

What's good for the military industrial complex, is good for America.

2018-06-16 19:16:17 UTC  

people still believe in the dichotomy

so people are deluded?

or mistaken

2018-06-16 19:16:36 UTC  

and arguably at least if those on the free market side were in power

2018-06-16 19:16:47 UTC  

they are anti interventionist

2018-06-16 19:16:59 UTC  

at least were

you can't have a 'non global' capitalist economic system.

what the hell is 'capitalism in one country'

2018-06-16 19:17:27 UTC  

paleoconservatism with like

2018-06-16 19:17:35 UTC  

trade

2018-06-16 19:17:53 UTC  

maybe protectionism idk specifically in what they believe there

Free trade is done in a way that keeps the third-world poor
and the first world rich, The west literally engineered a return to primary commodity exports in Africa using 'free market policy'

2018-06-16 19:18:44 UTC  

whether or not it could be accomplished i think paleocons oppose outsourcing too

Then they would be anti-capitalist, but they are not.

Outsourcing is a result of the profit motive

there are inherent contradictions in capitalism that you cannot resolve with 'more' capitalism.

2018-06-16 19:19:32 UTC  

they see outsourcing as produced by statism

2018-06-16 19:19:39 UTC  

however true that is

2018-06-16 19:19:58 UTC  

like regulations and allowing them to do it

2018-06-16 19:20:02 UTC  

lack of tariffa

2018-06-16 19:20:06 UTC  

tarrifs*

because that's bad for the profit motive

US workers, and western workers are just too expensive

unless they want to accept a drastic decrease in quality of life they cannot fight the profit motive of capitalism.

2018-06-16 19:20:54 UTC  

like i said they will insist that the costs are made higher by state intervention in markets