Message from @Tasunke_Witka

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2018-04-09 14:03:31 UTC  

But USA has had reason to be "allied" with several of these "Oil socialist" nations.

2018-04-09 14:04:07 UTC  

Especially after Soviet Union fell

2018-04-09 14:04:44 UTC  

Democracy in ME almost always goes to Islamic Theocracy it's just a fact.

2018-04-09 14:05:08 UTC  

That fear stopped Bush Sr from finishing the job in the first gulf war ...

2018-04-09 14:05:14 UTC  

But that was a huge mistake

2018-04-09 14:05:44 UTC  

He should have kept going in first gulf war and oversaw some sort of power transfer

2018-04-09 14:06:17 UTC  

His withdrawal hurt the Kurdish people, in the tens of thousands iirc

2018-04-09 14:08:09 UTC  

Long story short ... Middle East needs fair and free market economies .... imho. One step towards this would be to clear all global debts of IMF and World Bank

2018-04-09 14:08:21 UTC  

This would help out both MENA nations and Mexico

2018-04-09 14:09:04 UTC  

And market economies would potentially help take power out of drug dealers and terrorists

2018-04-09 14:10:50 UTC  

The 2nd Gulf War was unwarranted. But the Sanctions against Iraq were the real crime to the Iraqi people ... the sanctions + the food Blockade.

2018-04-09 14:11:53 UTC  

Iraq's section of ISIS was largely made up of people from Saddams govt and members of the Iraqi Sunni political party

2018-04-09 14:13:07 UTC  

Syria if anything is the nation most amenable to reformation and Market Economies (under Assad)

2018-04-09 14:14:29 UTC  

Also, a lot of the reasons Yugoslavia failed after Tito was because of ethnic and religious tensions ... primarily Islam vs Christianity

2018-04-09 14:16:39 UTC  

Islam and Christianity are diametrically opposed ideologies and cannot exist with any real presence in the same Nation

2018-04-09 14:36:56 UTC  

The Turks forced the Bosnians and Albanians to be Muslim

2018-04-09 14:37:11 UTC  

Yep

2018-04-09 14:37:18 UTC  

And The Albanians were some of the most brutal people in the Ottoman Empire

2018-04-09 14:37:28 UTC  

?

2018-04-09 14:38:04 UTC  

The Albanians were at the fringe of the Empire, perhaps the newest members ...

2018-04-09 14:38:25 UTC  

I could see the Ottomans treating the Albanians the most harshly to keep their holdings

2018-04-09 14:38:48 UTC  

What do u mean about Albanians being the most brutal?

2018-04-09 14:39:00 UTC  

Many notorious Ottoman generals were Albanian

2018-04-09 14:39:38 UTC  

Haha ... the Suzuku of the Muslims ...

2018-04-09 14:39:49 UTC  

Guess they wanted to become the Knight of One

2018-04-09 14:40:25 UTC  

The Albanian nation was actually created because the world community wanted it to exist after the Balkan wars

2018-04-09 14:40:37 UTC  

They thought Serbia and Greece would take it

2018-04-09 14:41:54 UTC  

Hmm.

2018-04-09 14:42:07 UTC  

Albania existed as part of Italy in 1938

2018-04-09 14:42:18 UTC  

Long before the post Tito Balkan wars

2018-04-09 14:42:40 UTC  

Or as a vassal to Italy

2018-04-09 14:43:14 UTC  

Italy used it as a staging ground for part of their invasion into the rest of Yugoslavia

2018-04-09 14:43:25 UTC  

In 1941

2018-04-09 16:02:32 UTC  

I was friends with an Albanian

2018-04-09 16:02:48 UTC  

We use to make fun of him

2018-04-09 16:03:21 UTC  

Was he Christian or Muslim? I don't think it's an 100% Muslim nation.

2018-04-09 16:10:04 UTC  

It's not

2018-04-09 16:12:00 UTC  

"In the 2011 census the declared religious affiliation of the population was: 56.7% Muslims, 13.79% undeclared, 10.03% Catholics, 6.75% Orthodox believers, 5.49% other, 2.5% atheists, 2.09% Bektashis and 0.14% other Christians."

2018-04-09 17:48:01 UTC  

Bosnia is a similar story: 55% Muslim (Bosnacks) , 20% Orthodox (Serbs), 20% Catholic (Croats), 5% other

2018-04-09 18:19:11 UTC  

The top replies for that poll lol

2018-04-09 19:08:47 UTC  

Albania is way more Islam-dominated than Bosnia.