A wall won’t do that. It isn’t like thousands of illegal immigrants don’t climb over or dig under existing fencing and walls yearly

Are you stupid?

Do you even know how border walls work?

We need to actually deport everyone. Every last illegal, none of them should stay. I

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/

These walls work.

And they ensure that deportations are permanent and block re-entry.

They can be helpful if they joined with other effective methods such as tight patrolling of the border, but throwing up a wall isn’t going to just fix our immigration issues magically

It is the largest part.

The most immediate effect is electorally, the symbolism of it is key.

It is permanent, as Lex said.

A Wall will significantly reduce entry EVEN IF some people get through.

I have stats on it but I'm on my phone rn.

In every single primary state Trump ran in, immigration beat every single other issue in importance to the voters.

This will help us out much more than some tax cut.

Half of illegal immigrants never even crossed the border, they’re visa overstays

So?

You still have the other half crossing in illegally.

No it won’t. Taxes effect the average American a thousand times more than Mexicans walking across the border a thousand miles away.

WHO GIVES A SHIT? That's 11 million people at the very least.

People can fund ICE whenever they wish to do that

@Yellowhammer "No it won’t. The only people who care about the wall are already voting."

that's hard to say. There haven't been any studies/research done on the right-wing voters who might be staying home. We had a guy a while back named Button Mash who claimed he'd stay home because there wasn't a wall, though he could be an extreme outlier, which wouldn't surprise me because the guy is an exceptional autist

But the wall is a permanent standing fixture. It defines, "this is Mexico, and this is the United States" and it keeps people who want to cross at bay.

if you look at all these special elections, there are large swaths of GOP voters who stayed home

and if you assume polling is accurate, there are a bunch of 'Unlikely' voters who probably lean GOP who aren't sampled in the polls because they don't claim they're likely voters

The southern border is also a heavy drug corridor, most of our heroin in the US originates from there.

We absolutely could raise our enthusiasm.

Fuck taxes. Mexicans have shifted Texas into a tossup, massively increased crime, invariably exist as a fiscal sink and are massively shifting your national culture.

Your libertarian platitudes don't answer the questions of the age.

I don't believe in high taxes but culture is an existential factor m

America survived FDR. It won't survive the brown invasion.

It'll alter the nation you know forever.

And thus also its values. Is Theseus' ship the same ship if you replace all of its parts?

No. It's a different ship deeply averse to anything remotely libertarian.

Mexicans are not making Texas D. It’s college educated white suburban cucks

That’s where most of the swing towards the Dems is taking place

It's both.

1st generation mexican immigrants vote for dems incredibly significantly

Pete Sessions and Culberson, R’s in suburban district, were safe just 4 years ago. Now, their white constituents have shifted so far to the left that they will both probably lose

Pete Sessions is not losing re-election

He has about a 40% of winning

So he isn’t done for, but odds are he will lose