Mhm.

in fact, the majority have been duped into believing false and provably wrong beliefs

ya "true" pure facts are far and few between; most of them are objective and half lies

Okay, so Mr. J seems to agree with the statement.

Kevin, do you?

ulcers is one example, where people thought it was caused by worry and we eventually learned it is curable in most cases

no, truth is something that is true, no matter if everyone agrees to the contrary

That's not what I asked

its true regardless of what people think and regardless of what facts they present that people believe

like the globe for instance

most people have been duped into believing this fairy tale

Mate, I'm asking you to define something. That kind of does not work if you use the terms I'm asking for a defintion of.

what I'm telling you is truth is the truth

hell most people believe this "reality" is the reality of matter; that this is ground 0 when we are just an expression of spirituality bound within the constraints of a greater system of "beliefes" etc

facts are useless because reality is defined by the individual

some facts are malleable that can be distorted to change public opinion but they aren't truth

Kevin, that doesn't mean anything because you haven't told me what truth is. If I said Yog-Sothoth is Yog-Sothoth, you say: "What is Yog-Sothoth?"

real facts are truth, not manufactured facts

truth is the opposite of a lie

I'm asking for a positive claim; saying it isn't X or Y doesn't help.

if a kid steals something and tell you he stole it, he's telling you the truth

you can believe he's telling you a lie, but it doesn't change the fact that its the truth

Okay, so you believe "truth" is a proposition that is in accordance with a material reality?

The sentence: "I am typing right now," is true becaue it's happening.

I believe truth is the truth regardless of what reality it happens to be in

So you think truth transcends reality, in a certain way?

some truth might be limited to the reality it finds itself, there can be alternate truths depending on the rules of that reality

truth is bound within experince; one's truth can be a lie to another

truth is not subjective

Well, Kevin, you said truth wasn't relative; you're now claiming it's relative to the limits of a reality in which it could exist in.

what I believe doesn't matter in terms of truth

like if i tell you i'm working hard; from anothers point of view it may look as tho i'm "working" up to hard not working through it and "thus" hard

I seek the truth, and use logic to determine what makes sense

whether I can determine that doesn't mean I will always find truth

I often ask people if they are working hard or hardly working

so if I told you planes claim to fly higher then thay do and use optical lensing to portray the lands bellow differently to make you think in essence your flying further then you are; would you say its "true" that they are distorting the scale of our landmasses?

Are you asking me or Kevin?

"both"

I don't think they can distort the scale of the landmasses that much, we have other methods like driving a car to determine how far stuff is

I'm in michigan, I drive to california takes roughly 1 day of driving, how can you distort the distance by airplanes

the fact is that they are using optical illusions and perspective wrongly to hide flat earth