Ok when you were talking about requiring infrastructure and what not, i wanted to make sure you knew p25 could be used simplex radio-to-radio or via a digital capable repeater too. As well as trunking can also be analog like my local power station.

I would consider a repeater of any sort "infrastructure"

Just by definition... I didn't mean like government equipment

Sure it is technically

I have a vhf p25 repeater sitting here I’m trying to decide what to do with

Yeah, p25 is just the standard

That I know

Everything I do or really plan on needing is simplex device to device anyway.... don't really have people here that would buy that gear

That's why I'm gonna buy 2 of the APX units

Oh there are two 4000 models too, a one-knob and a two-knob. I have the single and can’t decide if i like it better or not.

At least I can hand one to someone and have that route

Oh yeah simplex portable to portable or mobile to portable is the most likely use in this crowd

Or god help us a couple of buttfungs cabled together so they can interfere with each other

Yeah, and hopefully if I have the two and get it all setup that'll convince some of my friends to sell a gun and buy one, haha

That’s a bad idea for 10 reasons

Yeah gotta get your friends in on it

I meant 10 bad reasons to make a repeater out of baofucks

First and foremost above all else is one thing most people have never heard about. Duty Cycle.

I mean... they serve their purpose

And you can't beat dirt cheap if you're only using FRS channels anyway

I’d never bet my life on a piece of shit with less quality than a kids toy

It’s literally the ‘only wrong answers’ meme if you asked someone to design a radio

Lol

If you’re poor and that’s all you can do then so be it.

But if you can spend $$$thousands on a gun, and the radio you buy is a bingbong, that’s just out of ignorance

I'm far from a poor, but I still use them 🤷‍♂️

But again if I can get a good quality APX and still use the channels everyone is on, then that's what I'm gonna do

No argument about the failure rate

I’m proud to say I’ve never owned one. But the couple i programmed for a guy i hated the whole time.

I’d like to think I’d never buy one, but if i was given a couple i would keep them for random shit.

The fact they are dual band is nice, until recently that was an advantage only hams had. I tend to stick to vhf mostly for it’s range. But most of my sneaky small team shit tends to happen on uhf for various reasons. So really this 4000 for me is a holdover until i can get an 8000

Anyone on have experience with riot.im? https://about.riot.im/

Yeah, seems to be a good entry level into mission critical comms

Thanks for the info by the way

Sure happy to share

Just realized it's fucking 3am... I need to go to bed

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Has anybody seen this yet

@EDDSkitz @redbeard @Yeetasaurus Rex @[CA] SoyBoi - Dang it I missed a convo about my profession, I work on P25 terminals and sites. I'll just add this for now. If a radio can do P25 Trunked it should be able to do P25 Conventional. While I don't have much Moto exposure I do know this to be true for MA/COM, Tyco, Ericsson, Harris radios. So you can run encrypted comms via P25C if the modules are enabled and keys are loaded. Additionally, if FREQEDIT is enabled in the MA/COM, Tyco, Ericsson, Harris radios one can edit Tx/Rx frequencies and CTCSS tones (analog and P25C) with the keypad just like the Baofeng radios.

@KaiBran - I learned about "second" phone number apps from my son, who used them on his phone to prank his friends in 8th and 9th grade a few years ago. I tried one to see what is was about and found it useful to keep a level of anonyminity but not for much else.