We could devote energy into how to live instead

ethics

Not to mention the other pillars.

Imagine all of the theorizing that we get today going into high art. Music, painting, sculpting: all of these ideas of how the more subtle world would look to our material eyes and sound to our ears. It would at least be more interesting to me.

It would hit an epistemological crisis all the same

Don't the artsy types thrive in crisis? They love it.

"well fuck, how do you write a good tune."

All of the musicians disagreeing though working at their very best could make an all new explosion of genres and enhance already existing ones. See, they would be creating something. That would fulfill them even with all of their doubts.

yeah but that's not usually the result of theorizing

Theorizing is deconstructive

rationality that is

It's not a creative force

I disagree. Look at Marilyn Manson. His theorizing on the occult led to many of his albums.

I don't know what you mean by his theorizing

I disagree that it can't be creative or lend itself to creativity, not that theorizing isn't deconstructive.

It's literally how the understanding works: it breaks down the "whole" into parts to reason about it. A la categorization

Sitting around and theorizing on how something is. What it is like. What it's properties are. These deep thoughts lead to impressions in the mind that lead to creativity.

How is quantum physics humanist

You know all that wank music out there? The stuff that relies heavily on rational faculties as opposed to our non-rational ones? It doesn't leave a strong impression does it

That's the sort of shit that is derived from artistic theories

I don't think marlyin Manson's aspirations of being the next Alice Cooper using his library card to read occult literature to shock mommy is really a strong example.

@profagonist It isn't. However, the immediate conclusion that a phenomenon must be experienced to have certain properties is. There have been a lot of physicists who rent seek from government grants jumping to these conclusions and others in the "string theory" line of thinking just to publish something. The assumption that humans hold a central role in the universe is humanist.

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ I would assume that the wank music is there to entertain and to masquerade as art, obsessed with finding "unique" notes and being too self fascinated. When you have deep impressions of immaterial forces, it isn't very rational. When you want to capture an impression and relay it as deeply as possible through your medium, it could make for good music depending on the skill and investment of the artist.

I don't think that's a belief many physicists hold, actually I'd say most think the opposite

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ Furthermore, we have a dearth of skill among the arts these days. Hopefully, the skilled will elbow the unskilled out of the way. Mediocrity really gets more attention than it deserves.

@profagonist I agree. But THOSE physicists have real jobs.

Physics is basically about arguing against that anthropocentrism

I agree, again, but that does not mean that everyone with the piece of paper sticks to studying physical laws.

I feel like you're describing more Deepak Chopra than a scientist

The Tao of Physics and all that. But that is the subject that gets the most reads though.

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ I SEE IT MORE AS A FUNCTIONAL SYSTEM

THE OBSERVER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HUMAN

THUS THE ACT OF OBSERVATION LINKS OBSERVER AND OBSERVED

Have you considered that needing to find novelty is driven by the collapse of that particular medium? They try to find something unique because they came in at a point at which everything which could be said has been said, in terms of diminishing returns? Also that the intellectualizing has removed all the mystery of the genre itself and with that, anything to explore.

So you mean the vestments of science on humanist philosophy @-A?

THIS IN TURN IMPLIES IDEALISM: INTERACTION IS A RESULT OF PRESENCE/RESPONSE TO SOMETHING, NOT MATERIALITY PER SE

I object to that popular science propaganda shit too

wait dearth of skill? Dude, plenty of people who can't play for shit made good music

@diversity_is_racism yeah that's what I was saying minus idealism

@profagonist It at the very least seems to give the impression that it is more widespread that it should be. Maybe it isn't.

But I took out observation

https://www.reddit.com/r/askaconservative/comments/5v7eg3/is_deep_ecology_a_conservative_philosophy/

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ ALSO SKILL CAN MEAN LISTENING