Message from @diversity_is_racism
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I don't think marlyin Manson's aspirations of being the next Alice Cooper using his library card to read occult literature to shock mommy is really a strong example.
@profagonist It isn't. However, the immediate conclusion that a phenomenon must be experienced to have certain properties is. There have been a lot of physicists who rent seek from government grants jumping to these conclusions and others in the "string theory" line of thinking just to publish something. The assumption that humans hold a central role in the universe is humanist.
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ I would assume that the wank music is there to entertain and to masquerade as art, obsessed with finding "unique" notes and being too self fascinated. When you have deep impressions of immaterial forces, it isn't very rational. When you want to capture an impression and relay it as deeply as possible through your medium, it could make for good music depending on the skill and investment of the artist.
I don't think that's a belief many physicists hold, actually I'd say most think the opposite
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ Furthermore, we have a dearth of skill among the arts these days. Hopefully, the skilled will elbow the unskilled out of the way. Mediocrity really gets more attention than it deserves.
@profagonist I agree. But THOSE physicists have real jobs.
Physics is basically about arguing against that anthropocentrism
I agree, again, but that does not mean that everyone with the piece of paper sticks to studying physical laws.
I feel like you're describing more Deepak Chopra than a scientist
The Tao of Physics and all that. But that is the subject that gets the most reads though.
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ I SEE IT MORE AS A FUNCTIONAL SYSTEM
THE OBSERVER DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HUMAN
THUS THE ACT OF OBSERVATION LINKS OBSERVER AND OBSERVED
Have you considered that needing to find novelty is driven by the collapse of that particular medium? They try to find something unique because they came in at a point at which everything which could be said has been said, in terms of diminishing returns? Also that the intellectualizing has removed all the mystery of the genre itself and with that, anything to explore.
So you mean the vestments of science on humanist philosophy @-A?
THIS IN TURN IMPLIES IDEALISM: INTERACTION IS A RESULT OF PRESENCE/RESPONSE TO SOMETHING, NOT MATERIALITY PER SE
I object to that popular science propaganda shit too
wait dearth of skill? Dude, plenty of people who can't play for shit made good music
@diversity_is_racism yeah that's what I was saying minus idealism
@profagonist It at the very least seems to give the impression that it is more widespread that it should be. Maybe it isn't.
But I took out observation
SOME ARE SKILLED MUSICIANS BY OUTLOOK, NOT ACTUAL MECHANICS
THE IDEALISM IS ESSENTIAL
IF INTERACTION LINKS THINGS, THERE IS NO DECONSTRUCTION
AND
@diversity_is_racism Why does there HAVE to be an observer at all? I don't understand because it seems like it is a conclusion that is just leapt to for no reason other than to uphold the idea that obervation leads to event.
ALL OF THE UNIVERSE ACTS AS A LARGE CALCULATION
I'm still coming across good rap and electronic releases but it's easy to see that it takes more and more effort for only marginal returns.
@-A THAT IS HOW MOST UNDERSTAND IT: "OBSERVATION LEADS TO EVENT" TRANS. TO "INTENT => EVENT"
@diversity_is_racism Okay, that observation must lead to occurence?
intentionality
not really observation
Hence the perturbation
Being the clash of intentions
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ They can at least understand what good music is. That is a skill in and of itself apparently. With the collapse of a medium because all has been said, the beauty of music is that you don't need words (such as the electronica you keep coming by, which I also like) so sure, the words have been said but has the sound been made? Maybe, maybe not. When there is this impression you want to express, it encourages creativity. Maybe it will be nothing new save for the order or how long ago it was done? Maybe it will be completely new. One's inner model leads to creativity.
I disagree that there is anything to understand about "good" music.
Since what we experience is aesthetic
I think you underestimate the degree to which your inner model is dependent upon the cultural model you were born into
Meh. Maybe. I just think theorizing leads to impression and impression leads to expression and that this could at least make for new creation. Some will be good, some will not.
It's almost always the other way around and that's as true of music as it is of broader cultural trends. They always start out more visceral, irrational and maybe a bit simplistic and end up abstract, rational, ornate.
But