but even if all the creators were to fall, it would be fine if the audience remained discerning

it's okay if everyone lies, but it's not okay if everyone says lies are better than truth, a good thing

Got time off to go to the everglades

Anyone got dead bodies that need to be disposed of?

@fallot yeah kaeck is lame

@spaceplacenta young men's organization for democracy over stupidity.

yeah @spaceplacenta one guy, trouble is he doesnt know he's dead

big guy, texan, you'd like him

It's not even that the audience is not discerning. Everyone I talk to about metal outside this circle KNOWS what is derivative and what not. They just don't care. They genuinely love metal music and seek out the experience of it.

No amount of bullying or rationalization affects them. The standard response is: "yeah that's true, so what, I like it."

I think some people just get off yelling into a void.

the problem is that most "metalheads" in the scene are really just posers

I'm sure they genuinely love the metal experience

I dont begrudge people their simple pleasures

yea, but it incorporates the cancer of metal as well

> slipknot

yeah, that stuff is fine

what @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ says is fine

IN CONTEXT

obviously they do, but for the wrong reasons

Slipknot is not a cancer I think

this kind of thing, I don't like it

it may be representative of a wider issue

but it's not that big a deal

this stuff is obvious

the problem is "sell in" stuff, stuff that is "true" in attitude but sucks

and is accepted because its true in attitude

and no one realizes what sucks anymore

and by extension, what doesn't suck either

so bands that do actually succeed end up ignored, because pretty much no one seems to know the difference

I'VE FELT THE HATE RISE UP INME

KNEEL DOWN AND THE CLEAR THE STONE OF LEAVES

I WANDER OUT WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE

Calling people posers really avoids the issue

INSIDE MY SHELL I WAIT AND BLEED

avoids what issue

I'm not calling people posers anyway

Not you

oh sorry

No worries

I've been going to shows, parties with metalheads and volunteering for metal shit for a long time now. These people are genuine.

I mean I do less these days

But