It's not even that the audience is not discerning. Everyone I talk to about metal outside this circle KNOWS what is derivative and what not. They just don't care. They genuinely love metal music and seek out the experience of it.

No amount of bullying or rationalization affects them. The standard response is: "yeah that's true, so what, I like it."

I think some people just get off yelling into a void.

the problem is that most "metalheads" in the scene are really just posers

I'm sure they genuinely love the metal experience

I dont begrudge people their simple pleasures

yea, but it incorporates the cancer of metal as well

> slipknot

yeah, that stuff is fine

what @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ says is fine

IN CONTEXT

obviously they do, but for the wrong reasons

Slipknot is not a cancer I think

this kind of thing, I don't like it

it may be representative of a wider issue

but it's not that big a deal

this stuff is obvious

the problem is "sell in" stuff, stuff that is "true" in attitude but sucks

and is accepted because its true in attitude

and no one realizes what sucks anymore

and by extension, what doesn't suck either

so bands that do actually succeed end up ignored, because pretty much no one seems to know the difference

I'VE FELT THE HATE RISE UP INME

KNEEL DOWN AND THE CLEAR THE STONE OF LEAVES

I WANDER OUT WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE

Calling people posers really avoids the issue

INSIDE MY SHELL I WAIT AND BLEED

avoids what issue

I'm not calling people posers anyway

Not you

oh sorry

No worries

I've been going to shows, parties with metalheads and volunteering for metal shit for a long time now. These people are genuine.

I mean I do less these days

But

but?

Sorry took a poop

but my experience is definitive

what relevance does that have to the issue

The only time I've ran into posers was at watain/mayhem

the problem isnt people are ingenuine

That most metalheads aren't posers

They are in a sense, but they don't intend to be