Message from @fallot

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2017-02-24 18:18:57 UTC  

It's not materialist dude.

2017-02-24 18:19:03 UTC  

it is explicitly so

2017-02-24 18:19:07 UTC  

Matter is just a representation

2017-02-24 18:19:17 UTC  

There's no such thing as matter

2017-02-24 18:19:26 UTC  

I agree with that actually

2017-02-24 18:19:30 UTC  

matter is "existing"

2017-02-24 18:19:33 UTC  

existing in time

2017-02-24 18:19:51 UTC  

What does that have to do with the intelligibility of the world persisting in spite of fragmented perceptions?

2017-02-24 18:19:54 UTC  

the afterlife will have a "material" element as much as life does for instance

2017-02-24 18:19:58 UTC  

And about what you said.

2017-02-24 18:20:25 UTC  

I'm explicitly rejecting the mind/body dichotomy

2017-02-24 18:20:31 UTC  

thq qualia problem is a good illustration of why consciousness cannot be reduced to this

2017-02-24 18:20:42 UTC  

There is no mind body problem

2017-02-24 18:20:44 UTC  

At all

2017-02-24 18:20:46 UTC  

if all you are saying is consciousness cannot exist in time

2017-02-24 18:20:48 UTC  

i.e. we cannot think

2017-02-24 18:20:50 UTC  

without all of that

2017-02-24 18:20:52 UTC  

I don't disagree

2017-02-24 18:21:07 UTC  

but it doesn't address the basic phenomenon or quality of consciousness

2017-02-24 18:21:12 UTC  

A ball kicked doesn't return to you until a wall it hits reverses its motion. Did the ball have its will to continue forward resisted by the wall? Rather than that, the ball is constantly reacting to its environment, and in the same sense, your senses are constant receivers of stimulus.

2017-02-24 18:21:31 UTC  

it makes more sense to me to consider our configurations

2017-02-24 18:21:33 UTC  

like prisms

2017-02-24 18:21:37 UTC  

or lenses

2017-02-24 18:21:50 UTC  

which focus undifferentiated consciousness

2017-02-24 18:21:58 UTC  

"<hella_pitted> what you guys call order is merely abstract patterns we invent out of representions." Why could we represent?

2017-02-24 18:22:05 UTC  

Why isn't that an impossible task?

2017-02-24 18:22:11 UTC  

In truth we had found the key
But its application would unravel this mystery

2017-02-24 18:22:23 UTC  

Why could we pattern*

2017-02-24 18:23:50 UTC  

Consciousness can't be fundamental like that

2017-02-24 18:24:30 UTC  

what is there to be conscious of

2017-02-24 18:25:37 UTC  

itself

2017-02-24 18:25:48 UTC  

undifferentiated consciousness would be conscious of itself, its consciousness

2017-02-24 18:25:54 UTC  

its existence

2017-02-24 18:28:08 UTC  

But you never experience consciousness

2017-02-24 18:29:01 UTC  

the closest we get to experiencing consciousness is sleep

2017-02-24 18:29:31 UTC  

IF ONLY THEY COULD UNDERSTAND HARDANGERVIDDA LIKE ME

2017-02-24 18:29:59 UTC  

Is consciousness awareness, and will desire?

2017-02-24 18:30:25 UTC  

You're not conscious during sleep but you exist

2017-02-24 18:30:32 UTC  

it would explain the use of the term "woke"

2017-02-24 18:31:05 UTC  

which is kind of a neat parallel to draw between inarticulate people who are trying to explain some phenomenon