with some scrutiny it is an inescapeable conclusion

that some configuration of matter and energy itself cannot explain consciousness

it can explain how our brains work

but not why at all they work

what you talked about did not address the main issue of consciousness

is it appropriate to conclude that it works because it must

of course it works

but that doesn't explain consciousness is what I am saying

why not?

because we are unable to say what it is about it that actually makes "consciousness"

It's not materialist dude.

it is explicitly so

Matter is just a representation

There's no such thing as matter

I agree with that actually

matter is "existing"

existing in time

What does that have to do with the intelligibility of the world persisting in spite of fragmented perceptions?

the afterlife will have a "material" element as much as life does for instance

And about what you said.

I'm explicitly rejecting the mind/body dichotomy

thq qualia problem is a good illustration of why consciousness cannot be reduced to this

There is no mind body problem

At all

if all you are saying is consciousness cannot exist in time

i.e. we cannot think

without all of that

I don't disagree

but it doesn't address the basic phenomenon or quality of consciousness

A ball kicked doesn't return to you until a wall it hits reverses its motion. Did the ball have its will to continue forward resisted by the wall? Rather than that, the ball is constantly reacting to its environment, and in the same sense, your senses are constant receivers of stimulus.

it makes more sense to me to consider our configurations

like prisms

or lenses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpRTGfdhwOQ

which focus undifferentiated consciousness

"<hella_pitted> what you guys call order is merely abstract patterns we invent out of representions." Why could we represent?

Why isn't that an impossible task?

In truth we had found the key
But its application would unravel this mystery

Why could we pattern*

Consciousness can't be fundamental like that

what is there to be conscious of