That's why I'm asking you pointed questions

but in such a state, "natural order" affirmst itself more easily and directly

Without asserting anything

However, since through many generations, a civilization accumulates a vast social, material and intellectual capital

It starts to produce a certain falsified image of itself

And many philosophers of the past contemplated on the question, how to lubricate the engine, how to prevent deviations which were to them apparent

Currently, we have Western civilization which believes that it's material prosperity is the most important thing

And so it analyzes how to make this entirely wrong assumption, a matter of fact for everyone

So it makes another mistake, and assumes that such prosperity is a result of "discovering" a certain abstract form of government which allows it

And since its effort to export prosperity had failed, it now attempts to invite everybody over to show them how it works in person

Which everybody else uses and abuses cynically

If strenght, endurance, intelligence, fortitude, are the causes of prosperity, to the Western civilization, it will not occur that these are important things for example

It will only be obsessed with resulting state of affairs

So character virtues are the most important thing

@Jake Saga devolved said you were into sociopathy

what's up with that

I'm making my own attempts to understand this phenomenon

and have currently settled on one main point: sociopathy is an iceberg

and it's not just about visible/invisible but labelling as well

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ You could say so

many people labelled as narcissists or borderline personalities are sociopathic

the main issue being complete inability to form a visceral loving connection with anyone

so the elite recognizes that these virtues are the most important thing

Yes, the elites certainly value character

is maarat a sociopath

The civilian world should be structured like the military

But i could add also the spirit, though that would expand the conversation

no @Horns , be serious, this is a serious thing, seriously

this should be your face: 😐

he said he was tested as a sociopath

So what proceeds from the orientation of cultivation of virtue

Sociopathy is not understood even by most psychiatrists/psychologists

a checklist is not enough

you can't be tested for sociopathy

There proceeds something, let's say brotherhood for a start, with a different set of values

or if you can, it's not via a self report checklist

Well I mean a leftist beheld to virtue ethics would even agree

Leftist order of things is deficient in many respects

I mean their predominant theory of egalitarianism is the driven by how to manage the interests of a brotherhood, or rather, a community

Enlisted = commoners, auxiliaries = officers, guardians = generals

Tabooed so to speak