Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd
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The important thing to understand today is that we cannot possibly achieve something like that
Since there are no essential values today from which to begin, no reference points
feudalism of Europe came about well after a market system with different values than those needed for feudalism to work
We can theoretically only imagine some sort of a new fall of current civilization to imagine a new sort of order arising in it's place, but such scenarios are largely today thought to be apocalyptic
I'm sorry I didn't realize you weren't talking to me
nevermind then
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ NRx is at the same time right and wrong. Their diagnosis is good, their suggested cure won't work
People cannot establish an order today that isn't based on the values that are *real* today
*Realistically* economic performance is what matters today. If for example we switched current system for some sort of let's say, statism, like Fascism for example
The greatest value would be loyalty to the state
Which is again, certainly better value than economic performance
But that value would condition everything else
why is it better
Let's say you wanted to create some sort of a 5 year plan, or some project to allocate resource
You would allocate them according to personal loyalty to the state, not merit
Or I guess why is loyalty to the state the most important thing
No, i dont think one-party state is the perfect solution, far from it
it's just better than plutocracy
whatever the state is
why is loyalty to it the most important thing
Of course, If we are not speaking of a dictatorship of the proletariat which is a whole different story
It allows for a dose of transcedence from a personal viewpoint
Which again dillutes individualism and to it immanent deviations
"It allows for a dose of transcedence from a personal viewpoint"
What does this mean to you
it could mean a few things
And it makes possible to create a new outlook which won't cater only to needs of trade and commercial growth, since power is established not in economical centers, but in centers of military, social authority
"What does this mean to you
it could mean a few things" Individual is more soberly aware that he isn't the most important thing, simply put
So the most important thing isn't the individual, it's the state?
Look
I don't think you understand
The state itself doesn't really matter
People can live without a state
In complete state of Anarchy
That's why I'm asking you pointed questions
but in such a state, "natural order" affirmst itself more easily and directly
Without asserting anything
However, since through many generations, a civilization accumulates a vast social, material and intellectual capital
It starts to produce a certain falsified image of itself
And many philosophers of the past contemplated on the question, how to lubricate the engine, how to prevent deviations which were to them apparent
Currently, we have Western civilization which believes that it's material prosperity is the most important thing
And so it analyzes how to make this entirely wrong assumption, a matter of fact for everyone