So if I'm understanding you, what is important is hierarchy and its arrangement according to intelligence?

The important thing to understand today is that we cannot possibly achieve something like that

Since there are no essential values today from which to begin, no reference points

feudalism of Europe came about well after a market system with different values than those needed for feudalism to work

We can theoretically only imagine some sort of a new fall of current civilization to imagine a new sort of order arising in it's place, but such scenarios are largely today thought to be apocalyptic

I'm sorry I didn't realize you weren't talking to me

nevermind then

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ NRx is at the same time right and wrong. Their diagnosis is good, their suggested cure won't work

People cannot establish an order today that isn't based on the values that are *real* today

*Realistically* economic performance is what matters today. If for example we switched current system for some sort of let's say, statism, like Fascism for example

The greatest value would be loyalty to the state

Which is again, certainly better value than economic performance

But that value would condition everything else

why is it better

Let's say you wanted to create some sort of a 5 year plan, or some project to allocate resource

You would allocate them according to personal loyalty to the state, not merit

Or I guess why is loyalty to the state the most important thing

No, i dont think one-party state is the perfect solution, far from it

it's just better than plutocracy

whatever the state is

why is loyalty to it the most important thing

Of course, If we are not speaking of a dictatorship of the proletariat which is a whole different story

It allows for a dose of transcedence from a personal viewpoint

Which again dillutes individualism and to it immanent deviations

"It allows for a dose of transcedence from a personal viewpoint"

What does this mean to you

it could mean a few things

And it makes possible to create a new outlook which won't cater only to needs of trade and commercial growth, since power is established not in economical centers, but in centers of military, social authority

"What does this mean to you
it could mean a few things" Individual is more soberly aware that he isn't the most important thing, simply put

So the most important thing isn't the individual, it's the state?

Look

I don't think you understand

The state itself doesn't really matter

People can live without a state

In complete state of Anarchy

That's why I'm asking you pointed questions

but in such a state, "natural order" affirmst itself more easily and directly

Without asserting anything

However, since through many generations, a civilization accumulates a vast social, material and intellectual capital

It starts to produce a certain falsified image of itself

And many philosophers of the past contemplated on the question, how to lubricate the engine, how to prevent deviations which were to them apparent

Currently, we have Western civilization which believes that it's material prosperity is the most important thing