Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd
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The "depth" of the Bible is the product of abstraction and reason. But ultimately this is all removed a degree or more from the narratives in the Bible. So getting back to the stories gets us back to world we actually experience
@vigil#3835 You are giving "depth" the meaning that masses attribute to it, namely, the weight of emotional lessons
Or "foresight into achievements of contemporary science" at best
no I'm talking about all the theological fluff behind Catholicism
The stuff that pope is defending against the assault of the layman and his immediate experience
I certainly agree that Bible is best read without Catholic dogma in mind
But not from the same reason that Atheists do
Atheists read it literally not figuratively as intended
Even if they read it figuratively they still don't get it, but neverind
Yeah it's besides the point
That exactly is the point, that every story can be read from many different angles and with many different ambitions in mind
Reading and discussing the Bible is best done with somebody who isn't a complete normie
You can take a Bible story and contemplate on it from political perspective, from perspective of symbols, from historical perspective, from all these combined
From ritual perspective etc
I disagree the Bible is written the way normies think about the world, as figuration
the bible is written the way constantine wanted it to be so he could make a cancerously expanding dalit empire
and the new testament is probably 75% outright forgery
Hmmm I'm always in dilemma about the worth of NT myself
Revelations for example
Esoteric symbolism in disguise of prophecy
Or deranged phantasmagoria of the type of personality which Nietzdche has described as "man of resentment"
Saying that you are 100% certain on it's worth wouldn't be appropriate atm
I mean, some people are certain and decisive in what they will take from a certain work and what they will dismiss
Varg has a simple answer
Archaeologically and culturally, Bible isn't *us* hence screw everything written there
for some reason I was always quite drawn to the bible
I don't know if it's because my family was catholic for generations and generations and it had become congenital, or what
It has to draw you to it
Think about it
It's was written in the era, in the hotspot of mixed cultures and societies, and above all, mixed worldviews and spiritual proportions
It describes conflicts, agitation, breakdowns and rises of groups and ideas
It gives pages and pages of testimony in politics, religion, society, war
It deals with some of the most important societies to have existed, namely, Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian
And forces you to read between lines, since you are aware that narrator is being subjective
And forces you to take every symbol and study it, since it has got to have had both a significance, and a different meaning than a modern man, due to his separation from such a mode of thinking and speaking, cannot comprehend
Even if the worldview of the Bible is to be completely rejected
You still have to read it in preciselly in order to study it, and it's participants and their modus operandi
that is not even what draws me
what draws me in are two books, genesis and revelation
if you threw out all of the bible except those, I would not feel personally that I lost much
Personally i find the story of Hebrews in Egypt quite intriguing