Message from @diversity_is_racism

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2017-04-23 23:19:33 UTC  

If you don't understand that we cannot have a meaningful conversation

2017-04-23 23:19:41 UTC  

I mean what is "traditionaL'

2017-04-23 23:19:47 UTC  

that which belongs to traditional civilizations

2017-04-23 23:20:06 UTC  

Traditional civilizations actually believed that.

2017-04-23 23:20:17 UTC  

According therefore,to all traditional teachings

2017-04-23 23:20:37 UTC  

Traditional Indo-European sky father wills the world into being.

2017-04-23 23:20:44 UTC  

Through cognition

2017-04-23 23:20:45 UTC  

Material world was a manifestation, and as such full of symbols which revealed, but not represented higher meanings

2017-04-23 23:20:49 UTC  

CAN STILL BE MONIST HOWEVER

2017-04-23 23:20:57 UTC  

It is not a manifestation.

2017-04-23 23:21:12 UTC  

It is an imitation.

2017-04-23 23:21:14 UTC  

PLATO SAID CAUSE TO EFFECT: IDEA => MATERIAL

2017-04-23 23:21:16 UTC  

Body itself, was, when you deeply contemplate on these teachings, perhaps the most sacred of all

2017-04-23 23:21:23 UTC  

The idea is not material

2017-04-23 23:21:31 UTC  

The soul is not your body

2017-04-23 23:21:37 UTC  

IDEA (CAUSE) => MATERIAL (EFFECT)

2017-04-23 23:21:40 UTC  

THAT HOWEVER

2017-04-23 23:21:43 UTC  

IS A FORM OF MONISM

2017-04-23 23:21:44 UTC  

NOT DUALISM

2017-04-23 23:21:46 UTC  

And the most revered teachings were those that were deeply inner, therefore urelated to mere exoteric, like serving the masses

2017-04-23 23:21:54 UTC  

AND THIS IS WHAT (I THINK) @The Enlightened Shepherd IS TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE

2017-04-23 23:21:57 UTC  

COULD BE WRONG

2017-04-23 23:21:58 UTC  

NOT SURE

2017-04-23 23:22:00 UTC  

MORE TEA

2017-04-23 23:22:36 UTC  

So why is the goal of most skyfather faiths (and those that imitate them) for you to die?

2017-04-23 23:22:44 UTC  

The body doesn't matter.

2017-04-23 23:23:47 UTC  

Your body is the main source of all of your perception

2017-04-23 23:24:09 UTC  

For you to seek "beyond" perception outside of body is a folly, sine which is outside the body is pretty much completely related to it

2017-04-23 23:24:28 UTC  

The concept of entrapped, petrified power

2017-04-23 23:24:37 UTC  

Is contained within all that we consdier material world

2017-04-23 23:24:41 UTC  

As one and the same form

2017-04-23 23:24:42 UTC  

yet

2017-04-23 23:24:47 UTC  

it contains numerous other symbols

2017-04-23 23:25:36 UTC  

and only as such aer they traditionally comprehended, and the goal of all training is to perceive these higher truths, to receive "bliss", "enlightenment" call it whatever you will

2017-04-23 23:25:41 UTC  

this is no mandate

2017-04-23 23:25:48 UTC  

there is no heavenly reward or punishment for this

2017-04-23 23:25:52 UTC  

heavenly punishment and reward

2017-04-23 23:25:53 UTC  

are also

2017-04-23 23:26:03 UTC  

symbolic concepts, important for traditional teachings

2017-04-23 23:26:09 UTC  

and not to be understood in a literal sense

2017-04-23 23:27:42 UTC  

the belief that the path of being rejoined to the "center" let's call it, necessarily includes the survival of your phantom ego, a transitory, impermanent sensation, is folly