Message from @Death Strike's Bat

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2017-04-23 23:15:51 UTC  

That's the problem

2017-04-23 23:16:00 UTC  

you immediately presupose a divnity behind a creative force

2017-04-23 23:16:05 UTC  

As there cannot be good without evil and if he is good there has to be evil.

2017-04-23 23:16:12 UTC  

and above all, make a hierarchal structure in an arbitrary way

2017-04-23 23:16:28 UTC  

And by benevolence, he willed evil into being

2017-04-23 23:16:34 UTC  

and you presuppose that creative force is related to only one power

2017-04-23 23:16:43 UTC  

That's Platonism/neoplatonism

2017-04-23 23:16:54 UTC  

"all of things are matter" this is a pleonasm

2017-04-23 23:17:18 UTC  

Europeans pushed the spirit world beyond their world.

2017-04-23 23:18:43 UTC  

While for primitive peoples, the spirit and the material are interwined.

2017-04-23 23:18:57 UTC  

Wrong on so many levels

2017-04-23 23:19:05 UTC  

It's not wrong.

2017-04-23 23:19:11 UTC  

For all traditional teachings

2017-04-23 23:19:18 UTC  

What is traditional?

2017-04-23 23:19:26 UTC  

This is traditional.

2017-04-23 23:19:33 UTC  

If you don't understand that we cannot have a meaningful conversation

2017-04-23 23:19:41 UTC  

I mean what is "traditionaL'

2017-04-23 23:19:47 UTC  

that which belongs to traditional civilizations

2017-04-23 23:20:06 UTC  

Traditional civilizations actually believed that.

2017-04-23 23:20:17 UTC  

According therefore,to all traditional teachings

2017-04-23 23:20:37 UTC  

Traditional Indo-European sky father wills the world into being.

2017-04-23 23:20:44 UTC  

Through cognition

2017-04-23 23:20:45 UTC  

Material world was a manifestation, and as such full of symbols which revealed, but not represented higher meanings

2017-04-23 23:20:49 UTC  

CAN STILL BE MONIST HOWEVER

2017-04-23 23:20:57 UTC  

It is not a manifestation.

2017-04-23 23:21:12 UTC  

It is an imitation.

2017-04-23 23:21:14 UTC  

PLATO SAID CAUSE TO EFFECT: IDEA => MATERIAL

2017-04-23 23:21:16 UTC  

Body itself, was, when you deeply contemplate on these teachings, perhaps the most sacred of all

2017-04-23 23:21:23 UTC  

The idea is not material

2017-04-23 23:21:31 UTC  

The soul is not your body

2017-04-23 23:21:37 UTC  

IDEA (CAUSE) => MATERIAL (EFFECT)

2017-04-23 23:21:40 UTC  

THAT HOWEVER

2017-04-23 23:21:43 UTC  

IS A FORM OF MONISM

2017-04-23 23:21:44 UTC  

NOT DUALISM

2017-04-23 23:21:46 UTC  

And the most revered teachings were those that were deeply inner, therefore urelated to mere exoteric, like serving the masses

2017-04-23 23:21:54 UTC  

AND THIS IS WHAT (I THINK) @The Enlightened Shepherd IS TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE

2017-04-23 23:21:57 UTC  

COULD BE WRONG

2017-04-23 23:21:58 UTC  

NOT SURE

2017-04-23 23:22:00 UTC  

MORE TEA

2017-04-23 23:22:36 UTC  

So why is the goal of most skyfather faiths (and those that imitate them) for you to die?

2017-04-23 23:22:44 UTC  

The body doesn't matter.