Message from @Hagel

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2017-04-30 20:43:34 UTC  

ever

2017-04-30 20:43:51 UTC  

yet....thats the fucking thing we live on.

2017-04-30 20:43:51 UTC  

I almost fell for the trap of voting for The Green Party in Sweden, due to their name

2017-04-30 20:44:15 UTC  

yea mate its good on the surface but ultimately it doesnt solve deep-rooted political issues

2017-04-30 20:45:25 UTC  

Human races are part of the land, by the way

2017-04-30 20:45:33 UTC  

Just like other species and their races are

2017-04-30 20:59:41 UTC  

neocons are just liberalism + militarism

2017-04-30 20:59:59 UTC  

neoliberalism I guess it could be called

2017-04-30 21:00:08 UTC  

neoliberalism + militarism

2017-04-30 21:00:39 UTC  

we'll bring you liberal democracy one way or another

2017-04-30 21:01:15 UTC  

with neocons conservatism finally transforms itself fully into the rear guard of leftism

2017-04-30 21:01:39 UTC  

They really are liberals + war - gays

2017-04-30 21:01:39 UTC  

liberalism results in change in ideals, conservatism ends up defending it

2017-04-30 21:01:50 UTC  

minus gays is no guarantee

2017-04-30 21:01:54 UTC  

many neocons are down with gays

2017-04-30 21:02:18 UTC  

Yeah, just not as many

2017-04-30 21:02:28 UTC  

a lot of the big heads are trotskyist jews

2017-04-30 21:02:37 UTC  

and those people are not ill disposed towards homosexuality

2017-04-30 21:05:04 UTC  

Irving Kristol is one of the seminal neocons

2017-04-30 21:05:59 UTC  

Hmm

2017-04-30 21:06:02 UTC  

“I was dead-set against gay marriage when it was first broached,” Murray said; as a fan of Edmund Burke, he regarded marriage as an ancient and indispensable cultural institution that “we shouldn’t mess with.” He used to agree with his friend Irving Kristol, the late father of neo-conservatism, that gay people wouldn’t like marriage. “ ‘Let them have it,’ ” he recounted Kristol as saying, with a chuckle. “ ‘They wont like it.’ ”

It must have been years ago that the elder Kristol said that, before support for gay marriage was a majority opinion, and yet he said it wasn’t an issue worth going to the mat for. One could take that as an illustration of neoconservative contempt for traditionalists, or as, to borrow his son’s words, “totally conformist” foresight.

2017-04-30 21:06:13 UTC  

I suppose they can be more for lower corporate taxes

2017-04-30 21:06:17 UTC  

liberals want to tax the corporations

2017-04-30 21:06:40 UTC  

it is right-liberalism rather than the left-liberalism of Sanders etc.

2017-04-30 21:06:44 UTC  

something more like Hillary Clinton

2017-04-30 21:10:09 UTC  

The loser often approaches the winner

2017-04-30 21:10:21 UTC  

that is why conservatives have become more okay with gays

2017-04-30 21:12:38 UTC  

conservatives have been replaced by "conservative" careerists

2017-04-30 21:14:42 UTC  

Conservatives don't want to conserve much, they want to rape the land for profit, and liberals don't want freedom, they want to censor free speech

2017-04-30 21:20:45 UTC  

Swedes are people who hadn't had a war for 500 years

2017-04-30 21:21:07 UTC  

To them the apex of struggle and tragedy is when someone calls them noob on Dota

2017-04-30 21:21:53 UTC  

This is the huge problem with European societies who lived sheltered out of war when all this shit was developing around world

2017-04-30 21:22:05 UTC  

Like Sweden, Iceland, Switzerland

2017-04-30 21:22:12 UTC  

1814 was the last year Sweden went to war iirc

2017-04-30 21:22:36 UTC  

Swiss are I believe, only defensive and rigid thanks to their ethnic divisions which keep them woke

2017-04-30 21:22:54 UTC  

Swedish part in Napolenic wars was more like a camping trip

2017-04-30 21:24:24 UTC  

Sweden had an empire not that long ago. I'm sure it was taken through war

2017-04-30 21:24:35 UTC  

but they did not fight on their own homeland, they were the aggressors

2017-04-30 21:24:50 UTC  

Sweden hasn't been occupied in probably 500 years, that I can believe

2017-04-30 21:24:51 UTC  

Nobody fought on his own homeland back then