They really are liberals + war - gays

liberalism results in change in ideals, conservatism ends up defending it

minus gays is no guarantee

many neocons are down with gays

Yeah, just not as many

a lot of the big heads are trotskyist jews

and those people are not ill disposed towards homosexuality

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2013/04/01/bill-kristol-vs-irving-kristol-on-gay-marriage/

Irving Kristol is one of the seminal neocons

Hmm

“I was dead-set against gay marriage when it was first broached,” Murray said; as a fan of Edmund Burke, he regarded marriage as an ancient and indispensable cultural institution that “we shouldn’t mess with.” He used to agree with his friend Irving Kristol, the late father of neo-conservatism, that gay people wouldn’t like marriage. “ ‘Let them have it,’ ” he recounted Kristol as saying, with a chuckle. “ ‘They wont like it.’ ”

It must have been years ago that the elder Kristol said that, before support for gay marriage was a majority opinion, and yet he said it wasn’t an issue worth going to the mat for. One could take that as an illustration of neoconservative contempt for traditionalists, or as, to borrow his son’s words, “totally conformist” foresight.

I suppose they can be more for lower corporate taxes

liberals want to tax the corporations

it is right-liberalism rather than the left-liberalism of Sanders etc.

something more like Hillary Clinton

The loser often approaches the winner

that is why conservatives have become more okay with gays

conservatives have been replaced by "conservative" careerists

Conservatives don't want to conserve much, they want to rape the land for profit, and liberals don't want freedom, they want to censor free speech

Swedes are people who hadn't had a war for 500 years

To them the apex of struggle and tragedy is when someone calls them noob on Dota

This is the huge problem with European societies who lived sheltered out of war when all this shit was developing around world

Like Sweden, Iceland, Switzerland

1814 was the last year Sweden went to war iirc

Swiss are I believe, only defensive and rigid thanks to their ethnic divisions which keep them woke

Swedish part in Napolenic wars was more like a camping trip

Sweden had an empire not that long ago. I'm sure it was taken through war

but they did not fight on their own homeland, they were the aggressors

Sweden hasn't been occupied in probably 500 years, that I can believe

Nobody fought on his own homeland back then

Everyone fought for his own Monarchy and when they make peace then they decide who goes where and gets too keep his stuff and who gets to be btfod

The people who were conquered by Sweden certainly did

Just ordered Modern Temper by Joseph Krutch

For example, when Ruskies conquered Baltics, they let German remain the rulers, which ins't the same privillege that Poles got

In response to reading all of that anarchist stuff

People switched sides in those times completely out of their ethnic lines

Obviously, ethnic lines were important, but not determining

I'm not sure when Sweden last fought, if it was the 19th or 18th century

Napoleonic Wars

But during the 19th century, the Kalevala was compiled

but they took part in a very brief campaign that culminated in battle of Leipzig