The key I think is the abstraction "ethnoculture"

a term that encompasses both these non-reducible elements

the best example if I think the Jews

note that Israel seems to be generally accepted as having a foundation in a moral basis even seperately from the events of the Holocaust

a Nation for the Jews is seen by some as an intrinsically good thing

I think this is partly because their nationhood (on this basis of ethnoculture) is intuitively appealing

Civic Nationalism and purely race based Nationalism both deny important aspects of human groups I think

Civic Nationalism is though usually just a front for outright leftism

but even in an ideal state it is not complete

your entry about suffering is quite good

I would maybe not use "mere" existence

We should honestly introduce the serious debates on politics in nationalist discourses

Most people are completely illiterate in politics, which as someone defined, is the art of possible

Instead they only have theories on social relations

Which though correct, fail to be applied politically due to the lack of understanding of few principal things

1. conflicts

2. power

3. power strucures

4. hierarchy, rule and obedience to rule

5. ideology

Political struggle is a long term enterprise, in which triumph those who have a precise goal, course and method

Nationalists don't win because they mistake goals for sentiments

They fail to identify threats

They don't even acknowledge other parties in politics, who have their own goals and their own methods and courses

But insist that it is all one great mass dellusion

@fallot HENCE THE FOUR PILLARS

@The Enlightened Shepherd NATIONALISTS DO NOT WIN FOR THOSE REASONS AND ALSO BECAUSE THEY ARE ARGUING AGAINST SELFISHNESS

whats the best way to deal with ppl who deny white genocide

genocide

no like on an individual level

say there were a debate

theres always a huge chimpout even if u get trufax

the "white genocide" meme doesn't really bear defending

it's mostly stupid

outside of specific locales

like africa

well its true that whites are dyin younger and more often

or, call it a "soft genocide"

most from drug and alcohol addiction

dying of despair or smthn

suicide and giving up