apply the same logic

Which measure makes marriage conform to a more heavenly ideal

you didn't present any logic to apply

you gotta be concrete, my dude

what is heaven like and how can we know it?

don't we need to know that before we can conform any part of life to it as an ideal?

how do we know heaven is your thing and not a bunch of niggers having a drug orgy while dave matthews sings songs about peace and tolerance in the background?

It depends on what your goal or purpose is

If we accept scientific proposition, which says that everything is basically mechanical

Then such a perfectly mechanical cultural event would be quite fitting in fact

so what is it you are even trying to say about marriage, then? you said marriage was no good because reasons, so what ought to be done instead?

Hmmmm

I wouldn't say that generally marriage is no good, but that it certainly is inferior to not getting married - from purely individual perspective

not getting married and having children, not getting married and sleeping around without children, or not getting married and remaining celibate?

My idea of perfect marriage, if I need to make examples

see you have to specify to make sense

would be Roman Republic

so specify what you mean and then indicate with one women or many if any sex is still involved

not getting married and having children and not getting married and celibacy would be superior for an individual male

okay, now we're getting somewhere. why is that?

Because family life is unsuitable for spiritual and other pursuits

okay, how so?

It's distracting, overwhelming, emmotional

To me, Roman aristocratic ideal (the way it is described as such in all testimonies) is the form which elevates the marriage to the level of an institution in the most desirable way

hold up

so that it really represents a pillar so to speak

you got off into weird abstractions again

I no longer know what you are talking about

and not merely an outburst of biological forces

so last I heard, family life was bad for men because it is distracting, overwhelming, emotional etc. and prohibits spirituality or other pursuits

It doesn't prohibit

elaborate on those three factors of family life

But makes suboptimal, difficult

Depends on the level of one's devotion

I'm having ascetics in mind

Many philosophers, who were equally devoted to thought, complained about the same difficulties

okay

But we are to consider thought way more easier than life of an ascetic

so by "ascetic" do you mean something along the lines of "lives alone, owns minimal things, minimal distractions" etc?

*fixed*

yes