Message from @Deleted User 57835c2c

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2017-06-28 17:17:46 UTC  

proximity: you could leave your household and go somewhere else to meditate, even set aside an entire unscheduled day for it

2017-06-28 17:17:59 UTC  

chores: see above

2017-06-28 17:18:04 UTC  

now this last part is important for you to consider

2017-06-28 17:18:04 UTC  

it perfecty fits the description of "sub-optimal"

2017-06-28 17:18:15 UTC  

you don't want to do that, or have to do that

2017-06-28 17:18:30 UTC  

it's the introduction of passions and emotions where you least want them

2017-06-28 17:18:32 UTC  

well obviously, but you do what you need to in order to get results, that is how life works

2017-06-28 17:18:57 UTC  

an old brahmin is supposed to deed his possessions over to his oldest son, then become a wandering holy hermit and go live in the woods

2017-06-28 17:19:16 UTC  

the fact that family and max ascetic spiritual life are not compatible is worked into the system

2017-06-28 17:19:55 UTC  

once the man's grandchildren are born, he alone or he and his wife if he wants can go be wandering monk hermits in the woods until they drop dead mid prayer or meditation or whatever

2017-06-28 17:20:13 UTC  

there are strict guidelines on how much they may own, what they may do, how much food they can eat and from where they can procure it

2017-06-28 17:20:19 UTC  

so basically they did your thing already

2017-06-28 17:20:20 UTC  

just saying

2017-06-28 17:20:25 UTC  

I think that simply separating two domains works just fine

2017-06-28 17:20:53 UTC  

Which leads us back to the question of what kind of marriage is the most ideal or suitable for those who wish to do so, or consider doing so their obligations

2017-06-28 17:21:11 UTC  

is asceticism an ideal for every man?

2017-06-28 17:21:12 UTC  

are people who cannot measure up to their obligations even worthy of trying to be an ascetic like that?

2017-06-28 17:21:12 UTC  

Again, I emphasized Rome, where getting married was a paramount duty for an Aristocrat

2017-06-28 17:21:16 UTC  

if they were capable of it, lets assume

2017-06-28 17:21:36 UTC  

can't run the world on ascetics

2017-06-28 17:21:57 UTC  

yes, sadly you need go getters like me and fallot

2017-06-28 17:22:03 UTC  

I'm not a go-getter

2017-06-28 17:22:09 UTC  

you're a surgeon

2017-06-28 17:22:13 UTC  

Well, asceticism is by definiton an exceptional effort

2017-06-28 17:22:15 UTC  

asceticism could be an abstraction

2017-06-28 17:22:17 UTC  

yeah but that's to pay the bills

2017-06-28 17:22:24 UTC  

It's like saying "not everyone can be a long distance runner"

2017-06-28 17:22:28 UTC  

That is to be understood

2017-06-28 17:22:34 UTC  

not everyone SHOULD be a long distance runner

2017-06-28 17:22:37 UTC  

that is what is under consideration

2017-06-28 17:22:38 UTC  

not what you said

2017-06-28 17:22:47 UTC  

I disagree

2017-06-28 17:22:58 UTC  

Or actually

2017-06-28 17:23:02 UTC  

It could have a point

2017-06-28 17:23:06 UTC  

8]

2017-06-28 17:23:07 UTC  

so I've addressed practical matters re: asceticism vs family life incompatibility, so now I want to know - what is the point/reason/goal of asceticism?

2017-06-28 17:23:08 UTC  

If you added "should TRY"

2017-06-28 17:23:18 UTC  

TES that is egalitarianism

2017-06-28 17:23:27 UTC  

Nope

2017-06-28 17:23:29 UTC  

some are born to be human farm animals and it would be a crime to try to elevate them past it

2017-06-28 17:23:50 UTC  

should everyone try to be an ascetic then?