can't run the world on ascetics

yes, sadly you need go getters like me and fallot

I'm not a go-getter

you're a surgeon

Well, asceticism is by definiton an exceptional effort

asceticism could be an abstraction

yeah but that's to pay the bills

It's like saying "not everyone can be a long distance runner"

That is to be understood

not everyone SHOULD be a long distance runner

that is what is under consideration

not what you said

I disagree

Or actually

It could have a point

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so I've addressed practical matters re: asceticism vs family life incompatibility, so now I want to know - what is the point/reason/goal of asceticism?

If you added "should TRY"

TES that is egalitarianism

Nope

some are born to be human farm animals and it would be a crime to try to elevate them past it

should everyone try to be an ascetic then?

I meant not everybody should attempt to become an ascetic if he feels such a thing is deeply against his nature

Every ascetic turns to life of meditation because he feels called to do so

so no

everyone shouldn't try to do it

I'm having a feeling that many of the concepts we are discussing about have been taken for granted in the past in a way where people simply assumed some things

I don't think there was something spectacular in the fact that Zoroaster decided to be a priest

People who pursue spiritual experiences were considered as a normal occurence

Yet understandably, not everyone was fit for it

Not every stableman in Rome was considered as being god given for priestly duties

so I've addressed practical matters re: asceticism vs family life incompatibility, so now I want to know - what is the point/reason/goal of asceticism?

But we have different conditions now, which we must assume as being objective, even though undesirable

@Deleted User 57835c2c Vedic literature speaks of unity with The Brahma, we could put it that way

I could also say, self-realization in accordance with transcendental truths

I'm leaving to do some training

We may continue this later

no, we can't put it that way

see you're doing that thing again where you string words together that don't refer to anything objective

"self realization in accordance with transcendental truths" probably means something to you based on your past compiled thoughts but the rest of us will need some explanation

also notice how when I say "you're doing it again," I specify _what_ exactly you are doing that is counterproductive, unlike fallot who just says "you're doing it again! :(" and can never specify