to bolster your point

i.e. bad faith

Ok, lemme go through what you said again and see were I might have potentially lost the plot

Any hints?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_chief#History

okay

sure, yes of course

what you said about the french president etc. is irrelevant

what I said was in response to what you said about councils

a tribal council is not the normal state of organization of a tribe

or its highly unusual for this to be the case

if you scale down society to hunter gatherer level, then sure

so like kings can have ministers and councils

so can tribes have councils

yet, the chief/elder exists nevertheless as the head

and would tend to head any such council

But... We live in a world dominated by republican systems.... Are you proposing that this occurance in nature is unnatura?

like I said

lets not worry about unnatural

also, I never said anything about any other system

ok

No, but I bring it up (as an example) of something *else* occuring in nature

I'm not for or against monarchy

however yes I would say republican systems are unnatural

how so?

in the sense that they require a certain setup of civilization

they can only occur at a certain level of societal development and scale

and inevitably

such a setup is temporary

it will always fail, and always default back to kings

rome is a great example

that it will fail doesn't mean its not worth doing or whatever

but its the case

the history of man is a history of kings, not republics

unnatural is a very loaded word, I stand by what I said but it carries connotations of disgust, undesirability etc.

I don't mean those

I actually agree with the seamingly temporary nature of Republics but your original point (the one that I called retarded af) was that monarchy is the natural state of human society. You realise that recorded History is a small fraction of our species history right?

it's possible to raise children in a communal environment

the argument there is you can see an obvious step up

from society at small scale

For most of our existance we were naked apes in jungles...