which you can step up to a republic at a large scale?

lets not worry about natural

Tribal councils occur all the fucking time in rudimentory societies brah

sure they do, but there's still a chief

kings also have ministers and councils/counsel

Yes, and France has a president, your point?

you just made a discussion ending move

You mean I made a point you cannot refute?

no, you don't seem like you are able to follow me, and will default to saying whatever comes to your mind/makes sense to you

to bolster your point

i.e. bad faith

Ok, lemme go through what you said again and see were I might have potentially lost the plot

Any hints?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_chief#History

okay

sure, yes of course

what you said about the french president etc. is irrelevant

what I said was in response to what you said about councils

a tribal council is not the normal state of organization of a tribe

or its highly unusual for this to be the case

if you scale down society to hunter gatherer level, then sure

so like kings can have ministers and councils

so can tribes have councils

yet, the chief/elder exists nevertheless as the head

and would tend to head any such council

But... We live in a world dominated by republican systems.... Are you proposing that this occurance in nature is unnatura?

like I said

lets not worry about unnatural

also, I never said anything about any other system

ok

No, but I bring it up (as an example) of something *else* occuring in nature

I'm not for or against monarchy

however yes I would say republican systems are unnatural

how so?

in the sense that they require a certain setup of civilization

they can only occur at a certain level of societal development and scale

and inevitably

such a setup is temporary

it will always fail, and always default back to kings

rome is a great example

that it will fail doesn't mean its not worth doing or whatever