others, if they fought him they were enemies

there was an initial consolidation of arabia

what was his views on wives ?

wives are good

one should marry

up to four, but with the caveat that all must be treated equally

and at what age should a wife be ?

What would Germanic heathens be

the only proof is for whenever they are sexually mature

If Muhammed had encountered them

there are various arguments about whether his youngest wife was 9 or 14 or whatever

but the only consistent thing is

sexual maturity

@devolved , probably Muslim

like Persians

according to my understanding of the kuran, aisha was 6 at the time of the marriage ceremony, and was 9 when tmohammed and aisha finally slept together

see its stuff like that

that reveals your total lack of knowledge

none of that is in the quran

by saying that, I'm not disputing the ages etc. you mention

I mean would they be kaffir

but its not in the quran, simple as, it would be odd if that was in the book

I don't know @devolved

yes?

these ages are drawn from various traditions about muhammad's life by various people

this wife of his is a significant figure in Islam

probably his most significant wife in terms of Islamic knowledge etc.

and devotion etc. to the prophet, as well as a close relationship

you are right, there is some information in the bukhari and the hadith, which i do not have actual copies of yet

man drop the pretense

its fine to not know shit about it

I don't expect you to

find jesus

im inclined to think that you may need to do the same, fallot

you don't have to know that much about anything to form an opinion about it that goes as far as "I dont like this"

"Wife for kids, boys for pleasure" it says in the quran

this C-Ville thing was a stupid stunt

Pretty fucked up

why did they do this

They wanted to take down a statue

i think my point still stands; past the renaissance era and certainly within the 19th and 20th centuries, there is really nothing good of islam, unless one cherry picks and remixes with western values