like Persians

according to my understanding of the kuran, aisha was 6 at the time of the marriage ceremony, and was 9 when tmohammed and aisha finally slept together

see its stuff like that

that reveals your total lack of knowledge

none of that is in the quran

by saying that, I'm not disputing the ages etc. you mention

I mean would they be kaffir

but its not in the quran, simple as, it would be odd if that was in the book

I don't know @devolved

yes?

these ages are drawn from various traditions about muhammad's life by various people

this wife of his is a significant figure in Islam

probably his most significant wife in terms of Islamic knowledge etc.

and devotion etc. to the prophet, as well as a close relationship

you are right, there is some information in the bukhari and the hadith, which i do not have actual copies of yet

man drop the pretense

its fine to not know shit about it

I don't expect you to

find jesus

im inclined to think that you may need to do the same, fallot

you don't have to know that much about anything to form an opinion about it that goes as far as "I dont like this"

"Wife for kids, boys for pleasure" it says in the quran

this C-Ville thing was a stupid stunt

Pretty fucked up

why did they do this

They wanted to take down a statue

i think my point still stands; past the renaissance era and certainly within the 19th and 20th centuries, there is really nothing good of islam, unless one cherry picks and remixes with western values

A lot others didn't want to

those are bad things, the ones you mention @rebekka888

the root of the western illness lie in those things

what you consider good, is not good

What's the renaissance era?

consider the values of your average greek, roman or viking

compare them first to the values of muhammad and co.

and then to the values of the whatever you mentioned above

and now

I think it's pretty obvious the modern ones are exceptional here

New Testament, very nice like you said

in practice? Christian Empire, kill the infidels (but we wont set out to kill them)

that stuff is perfectly fine, good

well, christianity had its throes of war, and has settled down...... islam however, a religion nearly as old as christianity, has not reformed and calmed down yet, near as i can tell