and take his extra stuff

the most ironic is that the USSR and China did gave lands to the people

they almost all respondwith violence to attempts totake hteir stuff

yeah but in both cases the peasants responded with violence towards what htey perceived to be the state taking their land

and they could manage them properly for example in the NEP and in the China from 1949-1953-54

and they were right

yes

then the governement started to involve and everything went to hell

well the government didn't want toredistribute land

they wanted to seize the land

because they were afraid of a new burgueoise class

to use the exports

to pay for industrialization

also that

and the peasants new that

as even though they're uneducated, lower iq people

they're not stupid

basically they starved the peasants to feed the cities.

yes

well mao was more just pure idiocy

no they are more conected with their instinct or something like that

stalin was exporting grain from a starving country

no it is that they see how agriculture works

firsthand

and realize what is up

i think it was to pay technology from USA?

the USSR was exporting grain

to fund industrialization

yh, but remember that they had signed contracts with the ford i think

the thing was WW1 and the Russian Civil War had destroyed peasant agriculture in RUssia proper

they bought a ton of stuff

ironically from the capitalists countries

when tsarist russia was slowly industrializing in it's own inefficient way

as the largest agricultural exporter in europe

but everything they exported was a commodity

and not specialized crops

so no almonds and shit

or tomaotes. russia is a potato stan

china finally industrialized the right way in the deng xiaoping era

SLOWLY

yup