Nester is probably at his computer sitting zazen in ascetic contemplation of metal tier list Dharma

@Arthur Konrad Hey, there's two of you. Also, this is a little bit old of a comment but, how can the Elites have so much control without their nonsense being seen as good by the people? The People keep the fauxlites in power. Co-dependency is a scenario rife with hate no matter how attached everyone is to each other.

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@Draugra#1319 Your view completely omits the existence of vast and complex technical frameworks

What people who control these frameworks need is the capacities themselves, and people necessary to operate them

People who are necessary to operate them are already bought by their inclusion in the structure

Everything else can be manipulated through the action-reaction principle

You can manufacture a consequence with such power no matter how much people dont wish those consequences, merely by giving them a powerful stimulus to act your way

For this reason alone is democracy distributed, which wherever the system is absent tends to perish quickly

Democracy is very potent at distributing your stimulus, so people will perform a necessary operation that will eventually lead to results *you* demand

So only two principles oppose the system, namely, the nurturing of absolute and lucid sovereignty, and promotion of relativism and cynicism regarding *all* motions produced within the system

But even that taken into account, nobody really has a proper response to the might of the technological-political complex except to propagate against it *conceptually*

To insist that whatever is produced under its framework is ultimately bad

GNFOS THE MUSICAL VERSION: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_geTF-7I8Qg

It is a simple issue. The people want "equality" and they want unaccountability in the form of "liberty" and so, they hire whoever seems to fit these desires. The People, for the sake of assured inclusion, want used car salesmen on top.

@Arthur Konrad

@Arthur Konrad @Draugra I HAVE TO AGREE WITH DRAUGRA

PEOPLE SUCCUMB TO HERD BEHAVIOR

THIS EXPLAINS HOW CIVILIZATIONS THAT ARE WIDELY DISPERSED FAIL THE SAME WAY

ACROSS CULTURES, ACROSS TIME

THIS IS THE FACE OF HUBRIS: PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY IN CONTROL, SO THEY MAKE A DEVIL'S BARGAIN

THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, AND SO CAN EVERYONE ELSE

THIS CREATES THE HERD/CROWD

THIS THEN PURSUES ILLUSION AND IRONISM

DESTROYING THE CIVILIZATION

Herd bahvior alone isn't enough. It is that plus everything else you said.

Both of you ommit the key precept of our age - we don't live in an organic society, that fails as a unified body

The People split it up and then they went on keeping it split.

For the sake of power and ego.

While the majority is clueless and following the instructions given to them by the Elites, The ELites themselves are quite composed in their dealings

I doubt that. I think they are just living impulse going from extreme to extreme.

The Elites are a mechanical group which is not bound in any way to go down with the mob

There is nothing there to doubt, it is evident

The worldview that they harbor is something entirely alien and dehumanized, but it has nothing to do with how previous historical models worked, like, a society reaches the point of maximum popular rule, and all go down

Yes, it is true that the ultimate forces that guide these processes are beyond mere human comprehension and agency

One actor down and they are down. In the obsession with anti fragility they are more fragile than a fabrege. In fact, I would say that it is all part and parcel with being concerned with popular rule in the first place.

And so The ELites are in a sense also following, however, they don't *share* the fates of the subjugated masses, nor are they a part of the picture in the organic, historical-material sense

I agree with that but, it can be easily changed when their money loses relevance.

Yes, except that they don't rule by money, but by controlling the technological and material framework

And yes, they have the grip on everything - oil production, transportation, processor manufacturing, robotics, chemistry, agriculture,