Message from @AngryToastJoe

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2017-10-21 15:05:06 UTC  

Well read it

2017-10-21 15:06:43 UTC  

And this is a hard thing to debate because god isn't in this universe and we can't explain it, but we know he can read into the future and the past etc. it doesn't make him force us to do the things that he knows we are going to do he just knows we will

2017-10-21 15:07:07 UTC  

If he knows that a bank is going to be robbed it doesn't mean that he made it get robbed

2017-10-21 15:07:18 UTC  

He just knew it would get robbed

2017-10-21 15:07:20 UTC  

That's a semantics issue

2017-10-21 15:07:32 UTC  

Well that poses another problem

2017-10-21 15:07:48 UTC  

How could an omnibenevolent god let bad things happen?

2017-10-21 15:08:05 UTC  

Have you read the bible

2017-10-21 15:08:14 UTC  

I thought you said you were Christian

2017-10-21 15:08:23 UTC  

Or are you Protestant

2017-10-21 15:08:24 UTC  

Agnostic

2017-10-21 15:08:30 UTC  

Theist

2017-10-21 15:08:45 UTC  

So you're a theist that is agnostic <:Thonk:362811285869559808>

2017-10-21 15:09:51 UTC  

What do you even mean by force?

2017-10-21 15:10:01 UTC  

Force as in make

2017-10-21 15:10:10 UTC  

If he knows what I'm going to do he could force us

2017-10-21 15:10:12 UTC  

I couldn't think of a word to fit

2017-10-21 15:10:29 UTC  

He could, but could does not equal would

2017-10-21 15:10:32 UTC  

By nature of him knowing he us forcing us into one path

2017-10-21 15:11:34 UTC  

If following the semetic religions god does not force you, however essentially shuns those who do not follow his path

2017-10-21 15:11:58 UTC  

its very paternal, however not authoritarian

2017-10-21 15:12:05 UTC  

Which makes no sense since he knows that they will not follow it

2017-10-21 15:13:21 UTC  

Kinda what the Calvinists say

2017-10-21 15:13:54 UTC  

It also poses another problem

2017-10-21 15:13:59 UTC  

Ew calvanists

2017-10-21 15:14:13 UTC  

If he knows I'm gonna sin then why is sinning bad?

2017-10-21 15:14:23 UTC  

I was gonna do it anyway

2017-10-21 15:15:05 UTC  

To say I made a *bad* choice implies I could make a choice

2017-10-21 15:15:49 UTC  

You're arguing with yourself at this point

2017-10-21 15:15:53 UTC  

he is omniscient however not omnipresent. Sin existed however Satan guided Eve into commiting sin.

2017-10-21 15:16:21 UTC  

Although there is an arguement on whether Lucifer invented or just influenced Eve to commit the first sin

2017-10-21 15:16:38 UTC  

Lucifer isn't Satan -_-

2017-10-21 15:17:22 UTC  

same figure, same antogonist character

2017-10-21 15:17:25 UTC  

Which denim are you

2017-10-21 15:17:28 UTC  

Denom

2017-10-21 15:17:46 UTC  

who me?

2017-10-21 15:17:56 UTC  

Satan isn't god

2017-10-21 15:18:02 UTC  

So god could stop him

2017-10-21 15:18:05 UTC  

Yes you

2017-10-21 15:18:28 UTC  

Angry

2017-10-21 15:18:34 UTC