Message from @Soup Can Sam

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2019-09-12 21:39:29 UTC  

again it is essentially fascistic as well by definition

2019-09-12 21:39:34 UTC  

No.

2019-09-12 21:39:43 UTC  

The crucial evidence against that

2019-09-12 21:39:56 UTC  

If you don’t want to look at the rhetoric and HOW they got there

2019-09-12 21:40:08 UTC  

Is that fascists never ever ever turn into communists and vice versa

2019-09-12 21:40:13 UTC  

And also they were anti-capitalist too

2019-09-12 21:40:19 UTC  

Fascists sure turn into conservatives and vice versa

2019-09-12 21:40:31 UTC  

And communists turn into liberals and vice versa

2019-09-12 21:40:45 UTC  

@Katze Miaulitzer nazis were not anti-capitalist

2019-09-12 21:40:51 UTC  

it says here on the wiki

2019-09-12 21:40:51 UTC  

Not sure where you get that from

2019-09-12 21:41:26 UTC  

Yeah, proving my point cobra

2019-09-12 21:41:27 UTC  

:3

2019-09-12 21:41:34 UTC  

Not if you actually read it

2019-09-12 21:41:51 UTC  

because again these two entities share a ton of similarities

2019-09-12 21:42:08 UTC  

@Katze Miaulitzer quote that page and show me wherenit says that

2019-09-12 21:42:15 UTC  

It actively disagrees with your statement

2019-09-12 21:42:45 UTC  

"Nazi propaganda posters in working class districts emphasised anti-capitalism, such as one that said: "The maintenance of a rotten industrial system has nothing to do with nationalism. I can love Germany and hate capitalism"

2019-09-12 21:42:50 UTC  

"The Nazis argued that free market capitalism damages nations due to international finance and the worldwide economic dominance of disloyal big business,"

2019-09-12 21:43:00 UTC  

"Both in public and in private, Hitler expressed disdain for capitalism, arguing that it holds nations ransom in the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class"

2019-09-12 21:43:05 UTC  

They’re arguing a pro isolationist stance

2019-09-12 21:43:15 UTC  

Yes, they’re talking about international banking

2019-09-12 21:43:36 UTC  

but they expressed that against free market capitalism in general

2019-09-12 21:43:45 UTC  

All of the top Nazi officials engaged in capitalist enterprises, and German business was inexorably intertwined with the Nazi party

2019-09-12 21:43:55 UTC  

"Joseph Goebbels, who would later go on to become the Nazi Propaganda Minister, was strongly opposed to both capitalism and communism, viewing them as the "two great pillars of materialism" that were "part of the international Jewish conspiracy for world domination."[267] Nevertheless, he wrote in his diary in 1925 that if he were forced to choose between them, "in the final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism".[268] He also linked his anti-Semitism to his anti-capitalism, stating in a 1929 pamphlet that "we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, the misuse of the nation's goods."[167] "

2019-09-12 21:44:27 UTC  

AHEM

2019-09-12 21:44:27 UTC  

@Cobra Commander I read that article and it says exactly what I said

2019-09-12 21:44:40 UTC  

Which is that they are both authoritarian

2019-09-12 21:44:43 UTC  

Where exactly are you referring to in the article?

2019-09-12 21:44:52 UTC  

Literally the entire article

2019-09-12 21:44:56 UTC  

Well yes they are both authoritarian

2019-09-12 21:45:01 UTC  

that's not what I was arguing

2019-09-12 21:45:02 UTC  

It goes through the similarities in authoritarianism

2019-09-12 21:45:16 UTC  

yes and according to the definition of fascism they are very similar as well

2019-09-12 21:45:19 UTC  

Ok, then please quote the part of the article that supports your position

2019-09-12 21:45:25 UTC  

"The SA regarded Hitler's seizure of power in 1933 as a "first revolution" against the left, and some voices within the ranks began arguing for a "second revolution" against the right."

2019-09-12 21:45:47 UTC  

@Katze Miaulitzer yes, so it was an anti-left movement

2019-09-12 21:45:54 UTC  

Notice they didn’t actually get around to the second part

2019-09-12 21:45:58 UTC  

it would help if you acknowledged what fascism is.