Message from @luduma

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2019-12-27 19:58:09 UTC  

yes, im dutch 😬

2019-12-27 19:59:04 UTC  

I cannot provide a definitive answer as I am not an environmental scientist, but that is still a massively disputed question. You can look it up yourself

2019-12-27 19:59:33 UTC  

hm, that's like the only important thing to me

2019-12-27 19:59:45 UTC  

and online it says a lot of things

2019-12-27 19:59:50 UTC  

which is true?

2019-12-27 19:59:50 UTC  

then you can look up

2019-12-27 20:00:06 UTC  

how do i know if its fake or not?

2019-12-27 20:00:08 UTC  

and go off of trusted sources and look into what kind of study they conducted

2019-12-27 20:00:41 UTC  

i will certainly do

2019-12-27 20:05:30 UTC  

Found this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record
If you scroll down you can see that the climate has been a lot higher and a lot lower in the (long) past

2019-12-27 20:07:21 UTC  

could you find an article that isn't wikipedia? Like don't your teachers tell you its not a valid source?

2019-12-27 20:07:35 UTC  

and why's that

2019-12-27 20:07:35 UTC  

GG @luduma, you just advanced to level 4!

2019-12-27 20:09:01 UTC  

because wikipedia isn't an actual source, its a webpage written by anyone on the web, and can be changed by almost anyone on the internet. Its not a study or research but essentially a summary of other sources

2019-12-27 20:09:01 UTC  

GG @E2D2, you just advanced to level 9!

2019-12-27 20:10:31 UTC  

> because wikipedia isn't an actual source, its a webpage written by anyone on the web, and can be changed by almost anyone on the internet. Its not a study or research but essentially a summary of other sources
Including NASA

2019-12-27 20:11:14 UTC  

but okay, ill find another one

2019-12-27 20:11:35 UTC  

dude

2019-12-27 20:11:51 UTC  

NASA actually conducts studies. Wikipedia is does not

2019-12-27 20:12:15 UTC  

school teachers teach that

2019-12-27 20:12:43 UTC  

wikipedia refers to it

2019-12-27 20:13:01 UTC  

you can't just completely ignore it because its Wikipedia

2019-12-27 20:13:52 UTC  

I am saying you should find an actual study, not a summary, which Wikipedia is. Wiki is not where you should go to find scientific studies, their purpose, etc.

2019-12-27 20:14:06 UTC  

A first hand source is what you should be looking for, which Wiki isn't

2019-12-27 20:14:36 UTC  

sure

2019-12-27 20:14:40 UTC  

will search

2019-12-27 20:32:32 UTC  

I think this says enough @E2D2

2019-12-27 20:44:40 UTC  

Exactly @amicuma, its an natural cycle that has always been a thing

2019-12-27 21:21:32 UTC  

A 2014 article by The Royal Search

2019-12-27 21:21:34 UTC  

sure

2019-12-27 21:23:43 UTC  

that is all I will ever use in the debates about climate change with others

2019-12-27 21:32:51 UTC  

Does it matter that it is an article from 2014?

2019-12-27 21:33:00 UTC  

And from the royal search

2019-12-27 21:33:06 UTC  

No it obviously doesn’t

2019-12-27 21:59:50 UTC  

Compare that to the other sources listed in the arguments above it doesn't look to have as much depth

2019-12-28 01:15:02 UTC  

The earth can only radiate away so much waste heat. There are also two countervailing trends in the atmosphere. Greenhouse gas build up which locks in waste heat in a longrun fashion and global dimming, which is the result of other gases decreasing the amount of solar energy in

2019-12-28 01:16:15 UTC  

If you understand thermodynamics, the situation is very simple. Producing waste heat that pushes the system over what can be radiated away is going to warm the planet.

2019-12-28 01:18:31 UTC  

What humans are doing is in addition to the 'natural cycles' climate skeptics keep referencing

2019-12-28 01:22:09 UTC  

Earth might have been much hotter in the past, but guess what? HUMANS didn't live then. Global warming wouldn't destroy EARTH, it will just make it uninhabitable to HUMANS. Prior to that, it will become hard to inhabit, and the population pressures to live in the livable areas will get fierce.

2019-12-28 01:26:02 UTC  

Animals growing in population after climate pressures force them south doesn't mean anything by itself. That's one version of an exaptive trait being great for them in a less harsh environment. The region they left is still changed, they are just going to out compete with former apex predators in the new environment they had no reason to exist in previously. You can see where this goes if species keep migrating out of areas that kept them from competing directly, humans included