the sort of initial justification to investigate is very loosely terrorism related and you can use any other "evidence" you obtain during the investigation

well it's not just terrorism really but in the interest of national security

and national security needs can be interpreted however you want to

so they can investigate biden's son because of his dealings with foreign nationals and if they uncover evidence of corruption during it, they can use that evidence

and because they aren't really investigating biden specifically, they can use evidence that might turn up to show biden also being implicated in this corruption conspiracy

The law is usually interpreted along these lines. Like we aren't technically doing this investigation to find corruption but doing this investigation in the interest of national security will probably turn up evidence of corruption and we can just say that we stumbled upon this evidence by circumstance.

The normal rules regarding exclusion of evidence don't apply to these national security investigations is the crux.

trump 2020

GOP. If ypu don't impeach Trump... Warren or Sanders wins.

impeach him for what?

1. Federal election rule violations / crimes 2. Using the office for his own enrichment instead of the countries 3.
Obstruction of justice

@pennypal agreed trump is evil and needs to be put in jail

trump wont get kicked out of office, impeachment will fail

however, i do support an impeachment inquiry, as it allows the democrats (mainly, im pretty sure 1 or 2 republicans are along) to continue investigating

Honestly I don't mind them investigating much, it's the double standard that gets me.

agreed

Double standard... like Trump ignores ALL precedents and you're upset about Pelosi ignoring precedent?

It's a two way street

If you hold Trump's involvement in the Ukraine as being a problem that is entirely fair, I agree, but any mention of the same mindset being applied to biden is immediately dismissed. That's an example of the double standard.

Trump 2020

Nah

Well, Trump is one of the only individuals I have hope in

He's probably gonna fuck up the economy

Well it's already fucked up in a sense

This trade war's been pretty not great

Idk I honestly don't care much for any of the candidates

i dont think its just trump's fault, congress hasnt lowered their deficit since 2015

At least Tulsi isn't an interventionist I guess

That's also a factor

Im fine with getting rid of biden .

Biden is dismissed for a couple very good reasons 1. He was doing what Obama wanted . 2. He was doing what was Unhelpful to his son...

The prosecutor had let burisma investigation go dormant. If biden wanted to help his son...he would NOT have asked for him to be removed. Indeed the guy who replaced him DID really start to investigate that company

A White House official who listened to President Trump’s July phone call with Ukraine’s leader described it as “crazy,” “frightening,” and “completely lacking in substance related to national security,” according to a memo written by the whistle-blower at the center of the Ukraine scandal, a C.I.A. officer who spoke to the White House official.
The White House official was “visibly shaken by what had transpired,” the C.I.A. officer wrote in his memo, one day after Mr. Trump pressured President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in a July 25 phone call to open investigations that would benefit him politically

A palpable sense of concern had already taken hold among at least some in the White House that the call had veered well outside the bounds of traditional diplomacy, the officer wrote.
“The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official’s view, the president had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own re-election bid in 2020,” the C.I.A. officer wrote.

<:thonk:583236646858653696> aren't the Dems using this impeachment inquiry to push their own agenda to get one Democrat into office?

By trying to "impeach" Trump they are making them seem like a bad person, like how they have been trying ever since he was a candidate

? Or all the high crimes and misdemeanors he committed

I mean this is why the clause is in the constitution- to prevent foreign meddling in an election

By design impeachment is inherently political, so that's within their 'right'

doesn't require a crime, just a collective opinion of the selected doing a bad job

Federalist 65