“The plan is, as it has always been”

Suggests some sort of cabal running things

The parties aren’t just shadowy organizations, they’re dynamic blocs

Yeah sure it’s not some organized and conscious effort, as much as it’s just a consequence of the political trajectory of liberalism. It’s the result of the political framework they’ve put themselves in. They’re wholly incapable of challenging the fundamental assumptions of capitalism, and as a result they seek its maintenance necessarily.

@fuck12moredeadcops no

Then can you do something about Rockwell suggesting we get hung? @TheNobody

I don’t think that’s accurate

I mean look at Warren and Sanders

You don’t think they are a positive step?

Or are you just an anti-incrementalism so you think we should burn it all down

@fuck12moredeadcops sernd ss

I think it’s a positive step, and ideally one of them becomes the Democratic Candidate, but they’re not suggesting fundamental changes, just compromises, and when the UN scientist are telling us even if we were to meet our current emissions reduction goals (which we aren’t), we’re going to have catastrophic changes to our food production output, an answer outside of compromise is necessary

Yes, I agree with most of that, what kind of fundamental changes do you think are necessary?

It’s not burning it down. If the boat is sinking it’s not crazy to suggest we get on a different one.

An end to production for the sake of profit, a nationalization of all industry (where it is possible), a cessation of non-socially necessary production

If we don’t stop making fidget spinners, and stop overproducing we are existentially threatened, and Warren and Sanders don’t suggest solutions which will fix things like that. I think they’re steps in the right direction and they could shift the Overton Window further Left the same way Trump has shifted it Right, but they’re the most extreme Left wing of the Democratic Party

As an institution, the Democratic Party doesn’t have the necessary anti-capitalist posture

Eh, I don’t think there’s evidence to support those claims

Nationalize the industry? Is globalization that bad?

Huh, guess we should stop importing goods from other countries because they're making profit; guess we should also slow down the economy because thats also how we make profit

Should take a look at the Netherlands, they're doing some interesting innovation with agriculture; but ofc, *don't buy produce from the Netherlands because it'll make profit for them*

@3v6en8 No it means like

State ownership of the industry

Not an end to global trade

So like China?

No China has private ownership of capital by individuals who operate their businesses for profit

China is so much worse with capitalism than communism amirite fellas?

#Commiegang

Actually they aren't capitalist

They still are communist

They just make monkey from capitalist countries

*Globalization*

Also there barely is private ownership in China; CEOs have like around 1% shares in their companies and everything is leased 99 or so years

Not saying its bad or good; but that doesn't sound very private ownership

Politically communist, economically capitalist

china isnt communist they have an authoritarian government

they also have a huge wealth gap which is something you dont see in communism

sure you do.

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communism is inherently authoritarian in practice

there is no other way for it to be structured