Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

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2020-03-13 21:50:18 UTC  

The republicans are becoming the moderate party rn

2020-03-13 21:50:27 UTC  

Most Americans want a *public option*

2020-03-13 21:50:37 UTC  

But not anything near banning private insurance, as sanders wants.

2020-03-13 21:50:44 UTC  

most Americans don't even know what any of those terms mean

2020-03-13 21:50:46 UTC  

No, they want Medicare for All - guaranteed, no strings attached

2020-03-13 21:50:47 UTC  

The parties definitely taken more steps toward the center since the 2000s

2020-03-13 21:51:03 UTC  

The current system is wasteful and cruel to the American people

2020-03-13 21:51:14 UTC  

That’s incorrect

2020-03-13 21:51:18 UTC  

Check this poll

2020-03-13 21:51:50 UTC  

> The current system is wasteful and cruel to the American people
People prefer it to banning private insurance, higher wait times.

2020-03-13 21:52:31 UTC  

You're spreading misinformation

2020-03-13 21:53:00 UTC  

https://apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169
> But if they were told that a government-run system could lead to delays in getting care or higher taxes, support plunged to 26 percent and 37 percent, respectively. Support fell to 32 percent if it would threaten the current Medicare program.

2020-03-13 21:53:29 UTC  

Support increased when people were told “Medicare-for-all” would guarantee health insurance as a right (71 percent) and eliminate premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs (67 percent).

2020-03-13 21:53:38 UTC  

Yeah.

2020-03-13 21:53:46 UTC  

But as told, people don’t want higher taxes or higher wait times

2020-03-13 21:53:55 UTC  

It's one thing if you have a universal option in conjunction with private sources, but banning the latter and only relying on government provided healthcare is a recipe for disaster

2020-03-13 21:53:59 UTC  

^

2020-03-13 21:54:02 UTC  

people like it when it's all roses and tulips

2020-03-13 21:54:02 UTC  

When Americans are actually probed and given the facts; there is overwhelming support

2020-03-13 21:54:18 UTC  

Cosby the paragraph you quoted was *before* my paragraph

2020-03-13 21:54:28 UTC  

“But when told.. higher taxes and wait times... support drops significantly”

2020-03-13 21:54:35 UTC  

Right, so when you lie to them

2020-03-13 21:54:37 UTC  

Lol

2020-03-13 21:54:55 UTC  

They are going to pay less, and have comparable (if not lower) wait times

2020-03-13 21:54:57 UTC  

It isn’t a lie.

2020-03-13 21:55:03 UTC  

If you lie to them, they are going to change their answer

2020-03-13 21:55:10 UTC  

Some studies find much higher wait times, and obviously higher taxes

2020-03-13 21:55:31 UTC  

Most Americans would end up paying far less than they currently do

2020-03-13 21:55:37 UTC  

The tax thing is a red herring.

2020-03-13 21:55:50 UTC  

> We estimate that total health expenditures under a Medicare for All plan that provides comprehensive coverage and long-term care benefits would be $3.89 trillion in 2019 (assuming such a plan was in place for all of the year), or a 1.8 percent increase relative to expenditures under current law. This estimate accounts for a variety of factors including increased demand for health services, changes in payment and prices, and lower administrative costs. **We also include a supply constraint that results in unmet demand equal to 50 percent of the new demand.** If there were no supply constraint, we estimate that total health expenditures would increase by 9.8 percent to $4.20 trillion.

2020-03-13 21:56:01 UTC  

That’s a large wait time (in bold).

2020-03-13 21:56:50 UTC  

The argument about wait times is completely false.

2020-03-13 21:57:07 UTC  

Not exactly, the healthcare system is supply constrained. Increasing demand results in higher wait times.

2020-03-13 21:57:25 UTC  

So we have one of the lowest in the world currently, that can change drastically with Sanders passing his plan.

2020-03-13 21:57:57 UTC  

Neither the facts nor experts agree with your opinion

2020-03-13 21:58:08 UTC  

That's all you've got - an uninformed opinion

2020-03-13 21:58:16 UTC  

The study I linked above seems to agree

2020-03-13 21:58:47 UTC  

(It also finds increased national spending, contrary to what Sanders thinks).

2020-03-13 21:59:31 UTC  

I also forgot to add, quality might decrease too.