Message from @CallMeTruckson

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2019-04-24 22:07:11 UTC  

Yes

2019-04-24 22:07:15 UTC  

God is all powerful

2019-04-24 22:07:21 UTC  

In Islam and Christianity

2019-04-24 22:07:31 UTC  

i dont believe that

2019-04-24 22:08:25 UTC  

You don't believe God is all powerful?

2019-04-24 22:08:33 UTC  

Do you believe in God at all?

2019-04-24 22:08:35 UTC  

if god is all powerfull why does he need jesus?

2019-04-24 22:09:04 UTC  

I'm not sure if we would say God "needs" Jesus per se

2019-04-24 22:09:19 UTC  

but god needed jesus to forgive us right?

2019-04-24 22:09:23 UTC  

Scripturally Jesus always existed with God and as God since the beginning

2019-04-24 22:09:39 UTC  

therefore god didnt have the power to forgive us, and wasnt all powerfull

2019-04-24 22:10:08 UTC  

Oof

2019-04-24 22:10:12 UTC  

but jesus neede to go to earth and die, to forgive us for not following the ten commandments

2019-04-24 22:10:14 UTC  

Debunked

2019-04-24 22:10:48 UTC  

The usual Christian belief is that sin required some sort of atonement and Jesus provided that atonement

2019-04-24 22:10:51 UTC  

Basically

2019-04-24 22:10:55 UTC  

for some reason god cant just snap his fingers and forgive us

2019-04-24 22:11:05 UTC  

Cough cough

2019-04-24 22:11:10 UTC  

I agree with you it's not clear why God didn't just forgive us without the sacrafice of Jesus

2019-04-24 22:11:11 UTC  

but god lied

2019-04-24 22:11:31 UTC  

a paradox means its not true

2019-04-24 22:11:44 UTC  

It's not a paradox technically

2019-04-24 22:11:50 UTC  

And in what way did God lie?

2019-04-24 22:12:10 UTC  

yes it is, if im all powerfull, but i need someone else to do something, was i all powerfull?

2019-04-24 22:12:39 UTC  

Again nobody can say that God "needed" to do things that way, as in couldn't have chosen to do it another way

2019-04-24 22:12:59 UTC  

What we can say is he chose to do things in this way

2019-04-24 22:13:26 UTC  

exactly, since god isnt real

2019-04-24 22:13:44 UTC  

god is unknowable, so you cant know

2019-04-24 22:13:55 UTC  

I agree with you it's mysterious why Christs death on the cross was necessary or even if it was

2019-04-24 22:14:09 UTC  

But that's a different question then if God is real

2019-04-24 22:14:28 UTC  

and besides, that was 2000 years ago, get over it

2019-04-24 22:14:53 UTC  

So you are atheist? No religious orientation?

2019-04-24 22:14:59 UTC  

the jews and the romans killed him, not me, im not required to believe in jesus to go to heaven

2019-04-24 22:15:20 UTC  

im deistsic mostly

2019-04-24 22:15:31 UTC  

Hmm interesting

2019-04-24 22:15:34 UTC  

So you believe in God but not religion

2019-04-24 22:16:17 UTC  

mostly, i believe in a powerfull agent that created the universe, and is in charge of free will and our perceptions of it and everything

2019-04-24 22:16:45 UTC  

👍

2019-04-24 22:16:50 UTC  

That's cool.

2019-04-24 22:17:02 UTC  

I had a good conversation with a deist recently

2019-04-24 22:17:20 UTC  

As long as you recognize the creator I feel you are on the right track.