Message from @Gerry

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2019-09-26 16:55:06 UTC  

Thats like saying there are giant marshmellows that fly around the milky way naked

2019-09-26 16:55:15 UTC  

Can you prove that isnt true?

2019-09-26 16:55:23 UTC  

@Gerry Yes, from those arguments.

2019-09-26 16:56:02 UTC  

I mean strictly speaking

2019-09-26 16:57:05 UTC  

The Bible says that god is everything and nothing

2019-09-26 16:57:25 UTC  

@Gerry Yes. If p, then not p. Failure of arguments for a necessary being show otherwise.

2019-09-26 16:57:33 UTC  

But it’s a paradox

2019-09-26 16:57:56 UTC  

What verse?

2019-09-26 16:58:05 UTC  

And what version?

2019-09-26 16:58:26 UTC  

Oof I’m going to have to go through a lot of bible verses

2019-09-26 16:58:32 UTC  

But it’s not in one verse

2019-09-26 16:58:43 UTC  

I believe it is an interpretation

2019-09-26 16:59:15 UTC  

It's not a paradox to not believe something without evidence lmao

2019-09-26 16:59:17 UTC  

Yeah I'm gonna need more background, because Christians who are also in philosophy wouldn't agree with that.

2019-09-26 16:59:45 UTC  

And using logic to disprove god will be hard because he defies all logic

2019-09-26 16:59:49 UTC  

He is not a logical being

2019-09-26 16:59:56 UTC  

He is something we cannot comprehend

2019-09-26 17:00:13 UTC  

"He defies all logic"

2019-09-26 17:00:21 UTC  

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2019-09-26 17:00:22 UTC  

God of Gaps.

2019-09-26 17:01:10 UTC  

I mean sure

2019-09-26 17:01:23 UTC  

Furthermore, I can just use Plantinga's argument.

If God is not bound by the laws of logic, then God succumbs to the simple omnipotence paradox "Can God lift a rock heavier than himself."

Plantinga got around this by saying that omnipotence is doing anything **logically** possible.

2019-09-26 17:01:38 UTC  

So hence we know that God does not defy logic.

2019-09-26 17:01:58 UTC  

The thing is

2019-09-26 17:02:06 UTC  

There is nothing heavier than himself

2019-09-26 17:02:10 UTC  

Or lighter than himself

2019-09-26 17:02:34 UTC  

Hence why he defies logic

2019-09-26 17:02:50 UTC  

He is not bound by logic

2019-09-26 17:03:14 UTC  

But this is really just how I interpreted the Christian god

2019-09-26 17:04:38 UTC  

Also he is a being that the human mind can not comprehend

2019-09-26 17:04:51 UTC  

We are too simple

2019-09-26 17:06:16 UTC  

@Gerry There does not need to be something like that. It is just a question for omnipotence, same thing with can God create a square circle.

2019-09-26 17:06:27 UTC  

We are too simple. Except when it comes to knowing exactly what God is and how it all works

2019-09-26 17:07:14 UTC  

I hate it when religious people try to be "humble" and use humility

2019-09-26 17:07:26 UTC  

Yet claim to understand the secrets of the universe lol

2019-09-26 17:09:55 UTC  

Well the thing is

2019-09-26 17:10:01 UTC  

We don’t know what god is

2019-09-26 17:10:18 UTC  

Hence why he is described so vaguely

2019-09-26 17:10:27 UTC  

Then that makes you ignostic.

2019-09-26 17:10:31 UTC  

Not theist.

2019-09-26 17:10:52 UTC  

Also, that still devolves into a god of gaps if you're trying to use that argument for the existence of God.