Message from @Platinum Spark

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2019-11-08 20:27:31 UTC  

*divine and mortal

2019-11-08 20:27:38 UTC  

well Christ comes in the flesh on many occasions, the Tanakh is full of Moshiah

2019-11-08 20:27:53 UTC  

Did he have one nature or 2?

2019-11-08 20:27:58 UTC  

Jesus I mean

2019-11-08 20:28:58 UTC  

well this is where things get tricy, and you say "quoting bible verses isn't proving your point" but that's what we need as an axiom here

2019-11-08 20:29:34 UTC  

Do you know what monophysitism is?

2019-11-08 20:29:38 UTC  

Ezekiel 17: 1Now the word of the Lord came to me saying, 2 “Son of man, propound a riddle and speak a parable to the house of Israel

Yeshua considers himself "son of man" on many occasions, the word of God comes through sons of men just like it does the prophet Ezekiel here

2019-11-08 20:29:58 UTC  

We’re talking about Jesus though

2019-11-08 20:30:00 UTC  

haven't heard that one yet but I'm aware of some of the other heresies

2019-11-08 20:30:03 UTC  

yeah that's Yeshua

2019-11-08 20:30:11 UTC  

Not asking for proof here, just asking for your beliefs

2019-11-08 20:30:18 UTC  

but it gets a little more complex than that because this is a greek story

2019-11-08 20:30:28 UTC  

So you consider Monophysitism a heresy?

2019-11-08 20:30:51 UTC  

Do you know what the fundamental difference is between Catholicism and orthodoxy?

2019-11-08 20:31:08 UTC  

not that interested in the precepts of men tbh

2019-11-08 20:31:19 UTC  

they find something that works for them I don't knock it but they're not gonna get far if they ignore fundamentals

2019-11-08 20:31:38 UTC  

“The precepts of men”

2019-11-08 20:31:42 UTC  

I?

2019-11-08 20:32:01 UTC  

yeah people worship the ways of humans instead of the Moshiah

2019-11-08 20:32:03 UTC  

If you’re going to ignore the historical context you can’t really talk about theology

2019-11-08 20:32:30 UTC  

What is and isn’t in the Bible is a series of political decisions made in the late Roman Empire and the century or so that followed

2019-11-08 20:32:41 UTC  

well no I mean if their axioms are dead wrong I don't really care to pay that close of attention to the rest

2019-11-08 20:33:08 UTC  

I mean, they were the ones who decided what Jesus said and what he didn’t

2019-11-08 20:33:23 UTC  

So it’s hard to say their axioms were “dead wrong”

2019-11-08 20:33:26 UTC  

we have a copy of the Tanakh from before Christ and it proves at least the Jewish Bible is virtually 100% unchanged except for the reason they had a burial for that particular copy which is one line added to a psalm

2019-11-08 20:33:31 UTC  

the rest is identical

2019-11-08 20:33:33 UTC  

What’s an example of a dead wrong axiom

2019-11-08 20:33:46 UTC  

The psalms are not in the tanakh

2019-11-08 20:33:52 UTC  

Er worry

2019-11-08 20:33:53 UTC  

... yes they are

2019-11-08 20:33:58 UTC  

*sorry, meant Torah

2019-11-08 20:34:08 UTC  

Tanach is Torah (Pentateuch) and Ha Novi (the prophets)

2019-11-08 20:34:09 UTC  

The Tanakh has been changed

2019-11-08 20:34:22 UTC  

The apocalypse of Abraham, for instance, is not in the tanakh

2019-11-08 20:34:27 UTC  

That was a political decision

2019-11-08 20:34:28 UTC  

well no it's pretty identical to the dead sea scrolls

2019-11-08 20:34:43 UTC  

and yeah we have different canons like the book of Maccabees

2019-11-08 20:34:48 UTC  

not in Tanakh

2019-11-08 20:35:06 UTC  

Is Alexander the Great mentioned in any Abrahamic texts?

2019-11-08 20:35:26 UTC  

No I don’t believe so

2019-11-08 20:35:33 UTC  

Daniel predicts some pretty important figures in history