Message from @PohTayToes
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Aye
Or Jesus's sacrifice
Are you sure you understand the point of the crucifixion and how it relates to sin?
However you want to address it as
Here hold on
The purpose of the sacrifice was to create an eternal promise of access into heaven through the covenant of Jesus's blood being spilled to substitute for the necessary sacrifice to remove sin from humanity
As previously lambs were viewed as a symbol of innocence, as well as being a prized portion of the herd, they were used chiefly as the sacrifice to erase the sins of the Hebrew people, as we see within the attempted sacrifice of Isaac
This is the origin for the moniker of the Lamb being attributed to Jesus as well
Prior to being an atheist I was debating on attending a seminary school and was a bible camp counselor, so I've got a fairly good grasp on the crucifixion lol
GG @PohTayToes, you just advanced to level 3!
Well you saved me writing a paragraph at least
I also still own 3 bibles, one of which is a Masonic bible
So what’s your main issue with Christianity?
Hypocrisy, as with any religion
Even Buddhism pushes me away due to it
As much as I enjoy the Zen idealism, the hypocrisy still remains
So you believe basically the Bible teaches ethics and morale that people who don’t believe or haven’t read the bible, don’t already have these morales and don’t submit to it?
Not so much. It depends on the region they live
Region? Hm.
That’s new ok I’m listening
If they live within North America or Europe, their value system is clearly going to be more in line with the Judeo-Christian ethics and morals, which has largely become ubiquitous on an international scale. I attribute this largely to the switch to Christianity within the Roman Empire's history, as the Romans and Greeks have largely been the foundation of western society and civilization.
However, as we move into different regions we see changes within the local opinion on morality and ethics
Even within countries that largely share Judeo-Christian values we can see a difference
For example, a great indicator of this is what's made readily accessible and viewable on TV
In the US, nudity and sexyality is seen as being greatly immodest and indecent, largely
And this shows within the available programming
Now, as much as I hate the show, Big Brother is a great indicator. In the US it's highly censored, scripted and generally a bad show
Within Sweden, the localized version includes nudity and is essentially softcore porn, as, while it doesn't show full genitalia, it is very direct
Then as we shift further, when in Africa and the Middle East, we reach a form of morality typically based off the original Abrahamic philosophies
Then, further over, we have the South East Asian countries, largely Muslim, Buddhist, or of an indigenous religion
These all keep fairly base versions of morality to be line with the rest of the world, largely due to how widely the Judeo-Christian model was spread by the Roman and British empires.
This shows us that morality is largely based on worldview of your society that you were raised within, as well as how your parents raised you, then finished off with the personal morals and ethics you form through natural development and personal experience
Right.
I see what you’re saying.
Oh dang
Yes I’ve had the same questions as you. We share common skepticism.
Was about to tl;dr
I probably still should tbh
It’s alright I see your point.
As a christian, I’m very skeptical about teachings and the inerrancy of the Bible. Personally, I’m Pentecostal Evangelical.
I believe in speaking in tongues (popular topic in skepticism) and the rest of the gifts of the spirit. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have any second thoughts.
When I see people speaking in tongues, my first thought is “it’s either seriously genuine, or they’re spitting gibberish from their mouth to make it look like speaking in tongues”
A relatively common reaction in the latter