Message from @PohTayToes

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2020-01-02 02:08:43 UTC  

nvm

2020-01-02 02:08:43 UTC  

Christians who are actually not lying about their faith, want to be more like Jesus. But that’s impossible, no one can be perfect as Jesus. Jesus was without sin. While we, people have sin.

2020-01-02 02:08:45 UTC  

So no

2020-01-02 02:09:00 UTC  

Need for sacrifice?

2020-01-02 02:09:16 UTC  

I don’t think I understood what you meant there.

2020-01-02 02:09:36 UTC  

A need for sacrifice in order to be perfect like Jesus?

2020-01-02 02:09:48 UTC  

Aye, that

2020-01-02 02:10:02 UTC  

The whole Lamb idea

2020-01-02 02:10:03 UTC  

So hold on.

2020-01-02 02:10:09 UTC  

I see.

2020-01-02 02:10:31 UTC  

So we need to sacrifice something (for an example, a lamb) to be perfect like Jesus?

2020-01-02 02:11:03 UTC  

Not that a sacrifice needs to be made, no

2020-01-02 02:11:28 UTC  

But that, according to biblical lore, that it already has been made

2020-01-02 02:12:18 UTC  

Due to the inherent sinfulness of People, we would be incapable of living as Jesus did

2020-01-02 02:12:29 UTC  

You’re referring to the crucifixion?

2020-01-02 02:12:56 UTC  

Aye

2020-01-02 02:13:32 UTC  

Or Jesus's sacrifice

2020-01-02 02:13:37 UTC  

Are you sure you understand the point of the crucifixion and how it relates to sin?

2020-01-02 02:13:43 UTC  

However you want to address it as

2020-01-02 02:14:08 UTC  

Here hold on

2020-01-02 02:15:11 UTC  

The purpose of the sacrifice was to create an eternal promise of access into heaven through the covenant of Jesus's blood being spilled to substitute for the necessary sacrifice to remove sin from humanity

2020-01-02 02:16:52 UTC  

As previously lambs were viewed as a symbol of innocence, as well as being a prized portion of the herd, they were used chiefly as the sacrifice to erase the sins of the Hebrew people, as we see within the attempted sacrifice of Isaac

2020-01-02 02:17:28 UTC  

This is the origin for the moniker of the Lamb being attributed to Jesus as well

2020-01-02 02:18:58 UTC  

Prior to being an atheist I was debating on attending a seminary school and was a bible camp counselor, so I've got a fairly good grasp on the crucifixion lol

2020-01-02 02:18:58 UTC  

GG @PohTayToes, you just advanced to level 3!

2020-01-02 02:19:21 UTC  

Well you saved me writing a paragraph at least

2020-01-02 02:19:35 UTC  

I also still own 3 bibles, one of which is a Masonic bible

2020-01-02 02:19:47 UTC  

So what’s your main issue with Christianity?

2020-01-02 02:20:00 UTC  

Hypocrisy, as with any religion

2020-01-02 02:20:22 UTC  

Even Buddhism pushes me away due to it

2020-01-02 02:20:55 UTC  

As much as I enjoy the Zen idealism, the hypocrisy still remains

2020-01-02 02:22:42 UTC  

So you believe basically the Bible teaches ethics and morale that people who don’t believe or haven’t read the bible, don’t already have these morales and don’t submit to it?

2020-01-02 02:23:17 UTC  

Not so much. It depends on the region they live

2020-01-02 02:23:27 UTC  

Region? Hm.

2020-01-02 02:23:32 UTC  

That’s new ok I’m listening

2020-01-02 02:27:01 UTC  

If they live within North America or Europe, their value system is clearly going to be more in line with the Judeo-Christian ethics and morals, which has largely become ubiquitous on an international scale. I attribute this largely to the switch to Christianity within the Roman Empire's history, as the Romans and Greeks have largely been the foundation of western society and civilization.

2020-01-02 02:27:38 UTC  

However, as we move into different regions we see changes within the local opinion on morality and ethics

2020-01-02 02:28:25 UTC  

Even within countries that largely share Judeo-Christian values we can see a difference

2020-01-02 02:29:01 UTC  

For example, a great indicator of this is what's made readily accessible and viewable on TV

2020-01-02 02:29:56 UTC  

In the US, nudity and sexyality is seen as being greatly immodest and indecent, largely

2020-01-02 02:30:16 UTC  

And this shows within the available programming