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2020-02-14 05:45:43 UTC  

oh ok then

2020-02-14 05:45:59 UTC  

not corporatism 😳

2020-02-14 05:51:33 UTC  

I would argue that what is morally good is non-aggression and the state is an inherently aggressive institution. Massive corporations/monopolies are created by the government. Capitalism allows the people to really vote (as tired as the expression is, I think it still reigns true) with their dollar. The will of the people will find its way. Capitalism is all about serving, which is what the community welfare is all about. There is no profit without service. The greatest profits are made by those companies who serve those of the community the best. Capitalism inherently promotes this. Capitalism is what creates wealth, etc

2020-02-14 05:53:24 UTC  

Capitalism doesn't inherently promote the common welfare it's a system focused on personal gain

2020-02-14 05:53:50 UTC  

If you want to see how monopolies are formed a good thing to look at is the industrial revolution

2020-02-14 05:54:55 UTC  

in a time where the government sent in troops to stop union workers on strikes. The government barely intervened in the economy compared to something like today and these monopolies that removed smaller businesses were forming

2020-02-14 05:55:40 UTC  

What you seem to be promoting is a message but you don't have the backing for it

2020-02-14 05:56:08 UTC  

like when you say massive corporations are formed by the government and that Capitalism allows people to "vote with their dollar"

2020-02-14 05:56:31 UTC  

which is just not true, other factors override their supposed choice

2020-02-14 05:56:38 UTC  

in who will be able to stay

2020-02-14 05:56:56 UTC  

all you do with capitalism is remove the power of the people to forcibly remove people that aren't contributing to the common good

2020-02-14 05:57:04 UTC  

Its a system focused on service

2020-02-14 05:57:12 UTC  

They can not pay those people

2020-02-14 05:57:18 UTC  

Id say thats pretty forceful

2020-02-14 05:57:29 UTC  

It isn't though

2020-02-14 05:57:31 UTC  

not at all

2020-02-14 05:57:37 UTC  

The refusal to purchase a company's products

2020-02-14 05:57:56 UTC  

forceful is going to the place and kicking them out

2020-02-14 05:58:38 UTC  

not paying for products doesn't do anything if other factors make not paying them wishful thinking.

2020-02-14 05:58:54 UTC  

Why is violence ok if the company isn't being violent

2020-02-14 05:59:07 UTC  

many people might not want walmart or target but it'll be there anyways because in reality poor people are factored out of that equation

2020-02-14 05:59:19 UTC  

Also, if the company is committing violence, i think its not only just, but proper that the community take violent action against them

2020-02-14 05:59:25 UTC  

violence is ok because they don't have a right to the land if they're not contributing to the common welfare

2020-02-14 05:59:41 UTC  

It's not about if the company is committing violence

2020-02-14 05:59:50 UTC  

it could be that, but it's more than that

2020-02-14 06:00:00 UTC  

ok so what gives you the right to property is whether or not you contribute to the common good?

2020-02-14 06:00:11 UTC  

If someone is crippled are they not allowed to own property?

2020-02-14 06:01:03 UTC  

What gives them the right to own it in the first place?

2020-02-14 06:01:11 UTC  

Thats what I just asked you

2020-02-14 06:02:03 UTC  

what gives you the right to *control a part of industry* is if you properly obtain and operate it

2020-02-14 06:02:45 UTC  

property rights are based but owning industry is different because it affects other people in a way having private property wouldn't

2020-02-14 06:03:27 UTC  

Now that you have the jacket, no one else can have the jacket

2020-02-14 06:03:30 UTC  

works the same way

2020-02-14 06:03:38 UTC  

youve deprived the community of a jacket

2020-02-14 06:03:56 UTC  

sounds like you just dont believe in the validity of property rights

2020-02-14 06:04:29 UTC  

what?

2020-02-14 06:04:34 UTC  

I'm talking about industry not property rights

2020-02-14 06:05:01 UTC  

"affects other people in a way having private property wouldn't"

2020-02-14 06:05:09 UTC  

yes

2020-02-14 06:05:17 UTC  

having private property adversely affects the community in a similar way

2020-02-14 06:05:22 UTC  

owning industry affects other people in a way having private property wouldn't