might even lead to 2 deaths

I'm saying that the psychological welfare of the mum is not going to be caused by getting a slightly biggest torso for a few months, but by the actual rape that occurred

and the fact that she's carrying the baby of her rapist

ye

she's taking care of something her rapist put inside of her

It's the best solution I can think of, the mixture from two extreme. Either kill the baby or make the mother suffer childbirth are the other two alternatives

yeah

its not killing

if its not alive tho

Using your scientific definition of life, what if the baby is 7 months along before the mother is able to have an abortion. It's alive by your definition, therefore is it ok to kill it?

technically it isn't killing to us

no

But by your scientific definition it would be

not that late

but that makes no sense

when she knows she is pregnant

just abort

it takes a toll physically and mentally

late term abortions are wrong

I'm just asking a hypothetical to challenge your standpoint, that's all

and trying to recover after being raped while being pregnant is nono

If a woman is raped, and she, for whatever reason, is not able to seek an abortion before your definition of life begins, is it killing to abort the baby? @ashnaa

why would she not be able to seek abortion

This is why I dislike speaking in outliers, because they just get further and further off the rails and never promote the discussion

Maybe a woman is held captive, raped, and rescued after that point?

she was still raped

There was a lady here in ohio who was held captive for 13 years and gave birth numerous times during it, so it does happen

So it's then ok to kill this baby that you yourself have deemed scientifically alive?

wait what

GG @thomas the choo choo tree, you just advanced to level 6!

alive then no

before alive then yea

Well yea, I'm just trying to logically challenge your viewpoint of using the mother's psyschological state as a deciding factor

oh ok

I'm just using a hypothetical of, for whatever circumstances, the mother who is raped (let's say she was held captive) is rescued, and it is discovered she has been pregnant long enough for the baby to be considered scientifically alive. Would it be ok for an abortion?

and then you said no, so i'd ask why?

ohh

because then it actually would be murder

but i mean it's a blurry line for me

yea its ok

Yea, like I said, that's why I strongly dislike these incredible outliers