Message from @ashnaa

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2019-05-14 12:00:45 UTC  

i agree there should be a significant consequences for those who abuse the law in this way

2019-05-14 12:46:39 UTC  

They should get raped as revenge

2019-05-14 12:56:02 UTC  

that's extremely wrong, and she should be imprisoned for life

2019-05-14 12:56:49 UTC  

not only did she falsely accuse him, but that allegation lead to his *death*

2019-05-14 12:57:21 UTC  

In these cases yes.

2019-05-14 12:57:33 UTC  

But what if the rape was real and they happened to lose

2019-05-14 12:58:03 UTC  

wdym by "they happened to lose"

2019-05-14 13:00:44 UTC  

The case doesn't rule in their favor

2019-05-14 13:01:00 UTC  

They would face your penalties

2019-05-14 13:02:43 UTC  

going to court is different than dying; if a court doesn't rule in the favour of the prosecution (and the prosecution wasn't lying), the plaintiff doesn't face charges??

2019-05-14 13:03:09 UTC  

i dont get what ur trying to say..?

2019-05-14 13:03:23 UTC  

there was proof that her allegations were false

2019-05-14 13:03:29 UTC  

Yea

2019-05-14 13:03:41 UTC  

if there was no proof, then that'd be debateable

2019-05-14 13:03:45 UTC  

Only on those cases I would support a penalty

2019-05-14 13:03:48 UTC  

yeah

2019-05-14 13:03:49 UTC  

same

2019-05-14 13:04:19 UTC  

there's usually not much proof of sexual assault tho

2019-05-14 13:04:25 UTC  

it's a he said she said scenario

2019-05-14 13:05:14 UTC  

which means people tend to believe the victim, but the majority of accusations are true

2019-05-14 13:05:37 UTC  

we shouldn't disregard rape allegations because of a few terrible people

2019-05-14 13:05:47 UTC  

Obviously

2019-05-14 13:05:54 UTC  

Also rape kits exists

2019-05-14 13:06:18 UTC  

yeah

2019-05-14 13:08:06 UTC  

That case was a witch hunt

2019-05-14 13:08:10 UTC  

Basically

2019-05-14 13:21:12 UTC  

"But what if the rape was real"

2019-05-14 13:21:49 UTC  

there is no what if in this scenario

2019-05-14 13:47:03 UTC  

@ashnaa I don't think any allegation of any crime should be immediately disregarded, however I am a strong supporter of innocent until proven guilty

2019-05-14 13:47:49 UTC  

We are not a society ruled by the mob, we do not conduct trials by media. That is what happened to kavanaugh

2019-05-14 14:47:36 UTC  

"Even the most vocal or passionate feminists will agree that the hashtag is only asking you to give the benefit of the doubt to the survivor who is often a woman or belonging to a disenfranchised part of the society, rather than automatically giving it to the perpetrator who is often a man. As Tarana Burke, civil rights activist and founder of the #MeToo movements put it in an episode of Mic Dispatch: “‘Believe women’ or ‘believe survivors’ is not just like, ‘Believe us at all costs, don’t investigate,’ you know, ‘If I say it, it’s true.’ It is—let’s start with a premise that people aren’t lying and at least give them the respect of interrogating what they’re saying.”

2019-05-14 14:48:28 UTC  

you don't need to disregard innocent until proven guilty or due process if you give the accusers the benefit of the doubt

2019-05-14 14:49:06 UTC  

yeah the purpose of media is to share your opinions and stuff, so that's just what people were doing

2019-05-14 14:50:02 UTC  

Its pretty much the court of public opinion

2019-05-14 14:50:21 UTC  

and in that court

2019-05-14 14:50:23 UTC  

he was guilty

2019-05-14 14:50:27 UTC  

or treated as such

2019-05-14 14:50:49 UTC  

the media doesn't decide the outcome of a topic; it voices the opinions of the general public on the certain topic

2019-05-14 14:50:58 UTC  

In an ideal society we wouldn't have court of public opinion but there's no way to even possibly limit it without completely and entirely invading people's first amendment right