FUNDAMENTALLY

Reality ia not subjective buhdee

DISAGREE

because we

dont have the basis of which we argue

@Shnaky you seem to be trying to railroad the conversation so i'm actively ignoring you

we need to agree on definition to debate

You did it first by implying what i do and dont know

what exactly are we in disagreement about

Ive transitioned and went back, i know 2x as much tranny shit than you

Shesh

k calm down with that shit dude

more ad hominem

its a civil debate

Woman means mother. No social construct can change that fact

You can try to be pretty or vain, but it doesnt make you a mother

>>> *A gender role, also known as a sex role,[1] is a social role encompassing a range of behaviors and attitudes that are generally considered acceptable, appropriate, or desirable for people based on their actual or perceived sex.[2][3] Gender roles are usually centered on conceptions of masculinity and femininity ,[2] although there are exceptions and variations. The specifics regarding these gendered expectations may vary substantially among cultures, while other characteristics may be common throughout a range of cultures. There is ongoing debate as to what extent gender roles and their variations are biologically determined, and to what extent they are socially constructed.*

k im leaving i cant debate medical definitions

lmao

Academia is corrucpt with metaphysical concepts

that's from wikipedia but okay

Wikepedia is more often wrong and cherrypicked information

clearly everyone else is wrong and you're right @Shnaky you know more *tranny shit* than anyone

wikipedia is wrong, the oxford dictionary is wrong, medicine is wrong

Im serious though, acedmia doesnt define reality

Man cannot define reality

you're effectively stating that trans women cannot be mothers

that is not a gender role

Correct

You're the one that said that

mother is not a gender role

the gender role would be *only cis women can be mothers* in your eyes because that is the rule imposed - but alas, that is false.

Me
>Gender roles are for the sex roles which is man and woman; father and mother. Its what the sexes make them
You
>@Shnaky that is another example of a gender role

a gender role is an arbitrary rule imposed by society

it's a codex of expectations

Well then that arbitrary "role" of man and woman cant always apply to the sexes, then whos yo say its a feminine or masculine role?

saying that *women are mothers* like you have not only reduces women to their sex organs but excludes trans women who want to raise their children as a mother

They arent women though, they are men desparately trying to reconsile the castration the medical industry pressured onto them

yeah, you're trolling - this is done

I can be a mother and father

I have a vagina and dick