Message from @Sophie

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2020-03-04 22:10:51 UTC  

And are you talking about the foundation of the colonies?

2020-03-04 22:10:59 UTC  

Or the American Revolution?

2020-03-04 22:11:04 UTC  

you can deny all you want

2020-03-04 22:11:07 UTC  

you can't rewrite history

2020-03-04 22:11:09 UTC  

Because there are hundreds of years between them

2020-03-04 22:11:20 UTC  

Ok, your blanket statements notwithstanding

2020-03-04 22:11:26 UTC  

Do you have an answer to the question?

2020-03-04 22:11:42 UTC  

if you’re going to be this rude you may want to be a bit more knowledgeable.

2020-03-04 22:12:19 UTC  

There's nothing rude pointing out history

2020-03-04 22:12:24 UTC  

Here try reading something

2020-03-04 22:12:27 UTC  

Count the wars based on religion

2020-03-04 22:12:29 UTC  

I'll be waiting

2020-03-04 22:12:36 UTC  

The 80 years war was primarily about credit and getting out from Spanish rule

2020-03-04 22:12:45 UTC  

yeah because of their religious suppression

2020-03-04 22:12:53 UTC  

...no

2020-03-04 22:12:55 UTC  

Yeah

2020-03-04 22:12:58 UTC  

Because the Dutch wanted self rule

2020-03-04 22:13:00 UTC  

We weren't a country

2020-03-04 22:13:08 UTC  

We wanted a country, BECAUSE of those conditions

2020-03-04 22:13:14 UTC  

The religious aspect was a convenient think to rally around

2020-03-04 22:13:24 UTC  

But even if the Netherlands had been entirely catholic

2020-03-04 22:13:58 UTC  

The Dutch would still be their own national identity, with a will to self govern, and better credit than the Spanish crown

2020-03-04 22:14:41 UTC  

Now do you have an answer to my question about the American Revolution? Because it was very much not about religious freedom.

2020-03-04 22:14:55 UTC  

In fact the belligerents were all the same religion

2020-03-04 22:15:07 UTC  

they fled from Britian for what reason?

2020-03-04 22:16:14 UTC  

Depends on the colony

2020-03-04 22:16:55 UTC  

Some of the pilgrims were puritans, for sure

2020-03-04 22:17:35 UTC  

But there’s over 250 years between them showing up in America and the war of independence

2020-03-04 22:18:06 UTC  

If you want to make that point it would actually better be made about the English civil war

2020-03-04 22:18:25 UTC  

But that again was more about parliamentary power vs noble authority

2020-03-04 22:19:20 UTC  

noble authority stemmed from religious backgrounds tho

2020-03-04 22:19:27 UTC  

Lol

2020-03-04 22:19:31 UTC  

No it didn’t.

2020-03-04 22:19:41 UTC  

Alright well I'm off to bed

2020-03-04 22:19:50 UTC  

The origins of noble authority predated Christianity in Britain

2020-03-04 22:22:44 UTC  

We tend to associate the arrival of Christianity in Britain with the mission of Augustine in 597 AD. But in fact Christianity arrived long before then, and in the 1st Century AD, there wasn't an organised attempt to convert the British.

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It began when Roman artisans and traders arriving in Britain spread the story of Jesus along with stories of their Pagan deities.

The modern peerage system is a vestige of the custom of English kings in the 12th and 13th centuries in summoning wealthy individuals (along with church officials and elected representatives for commoners) to form a Parliament. The economic system at the time was manorialism (or feudalism), and the privilege of being summoned to Parliament was related to the amount of land one controlled (a "barony"). In the late 14th century, this right (or "title") began to be granted by decree, and titles also became inherited with the rest of an estate under the system of primogeniture. Non-hereditary positions began to be created again in 1867 for Law Lords, and in 1958 generally.

2020-03-04 22:22:56 UTC  

Yyyeeepp

2020-03-04 22:23:06 UTC  

1st century vs 12th and 13th

2020-03-04 22:23:13 UTC  

The origins of British nobility predate the modern peerage system

2020-03-04 22:23:57 UTC  

It evolved out of Romano-British nobility and the local warlords