Message from @Cuccolover
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and the reason America was all free and whatnot
Sophie
My fucking god
I’m denying religion as a primary driver of the 80 years war
And are you talking about the foundation of the colonies?
Or the American Revolution?
you can deny all you want
you can't rewrite history
Because there are hundreds of years between them
Ok, your blanket statements notwithstanding
Do you have an answer to the question?
if you’re going to be this rude you may want to be a bit more knowledgeable.
There's nothing rude pointing out history
Here try reading something
Count the wars based on religion
I'll be waiting
The 80 years war was primarily about credit and getting out from Spanish rule
yeah because of their religious suppression
...no
Because the Dutch wanted self rule
We weren't a country
We wanted a country, BECAUSE of those conditions
The religious aspect was a convenient think to rally around
But even if the Netherlands had been entirely catholic
The Dutch would still be their own national identity, with a will to self govern, and better credit than the Spanish crown
Now do you have an answer to my question about the American Revolution? Because it was very much not about religious freedom.
In fact the belligerents were all the same religion
they fled from Britian for what reason?
Depends on the colony
Some of the pilgrims were puritans, for sure
But there’s over 250 years between them showing up in America and the war of independence
If you want to make that point it would actually better be made about the English civil war
But that again was more about parliamentary power vs noble authority
noble authority stemmed from religious backgrounds tho
Lol
No it didn’t.
Alright well I'm off to bed
The origins of noble authority predated Christianity in Britain
We tend to associate the arrival of Christianity in Britain with the mission of Augustine in 597 AD. But in fact Christianity arrived long before then, and in the 1st Century AD, there wasn't an organised attempt to convert the British.
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It began when Roman artisans and traders arriving in Britain spread the story of Jesus along with stories of their Pagan deities.
The modern peerage system is a vestige of the custom of English kings in the 12th and 13th centuries in summoning wealthy individuals (along with church officials and elected representatives for commoners) to form a Parliament. The economic system at the time was manorialism (or feudalism), and the privilege of being summoned to Parliament was related to the amount of land one controlled (a "barony"). In the late 14th century, this right (or "title") began to be granted by decree, and titles also became inherited with the rest of an estate under the system of primogeniture. Non-hereditary positions began to be created again in 1867 for Law Lords, and in 1958 generally.