We weren't a country

We wanted a country, BECAUSE of those conditions

The religious aspect was a convenient think to rally around

But even if the Netherlands had been entirely catholic

The Dutch would still be their own national identity, with a will to self govern, and better credit than the Spanish crown

Now do you have an answer to my question about the American Revolution? Because it was very much not about religious freedom.

In fact the belligerents were all the same religion

they fled from Britian for what reason?

Depends on the colony

Some of the pilgrims were puritans, for sure

But there’s over 250 years between them showing up in America and the war of independence

If you want to make that point it would actually better be made about the English civil war

But that again was more about parliamentary power vs noble authority

noble authority stemmed from religious backgrounds tho

Lol

No it didn’t.

Alright well I'm off to bed

The origins of noble authority predated Christianity in Britain

We tend to associate the arrival of Christianity in Britain with the mission of Augustine in 597 AD. But in fact Christianity arrived long before then, and in the 1st Century AD, there wasn't an organised attempt to convert the British.

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It began when Roman artisans and traders arriving in Britain spread the story of Jesus along with stories of their Pagan deities.

The modern peerage system is a vestige of the custom of English kings in the 12th and 13th centuries in summoning wealthy individuals (along with church officials and elected representatives for commoners) to form a Parliament. The economic system at the time was manorialism (or feudalism), and the privilege of being summoned to Parliament was related to the amount of land one controlled (a "barony"). In the late 14th century, this right (or "title") began to be granted by decree, and titles also became inherited with the rest of an estate under the system of primogeniture. Non-hereditary positions began to be created again in 1867 for Law Lords, and in 1958 generally.

Yyyeeepp

1st century vs 12th and 13th

The origins of British nobility predate the modern peerage system

It evolved out of Romano-British nobility and the local warlords

Who in many instances were one in the same

European nobility originated in the feudal/seignorial system that arose in Europe during the Middle Ages.

Lol uuuh no.

It didn’t spring fully formed

Have any proof of that?

It came directly from the Roman governmental system

Shut up gender isn't real

Yep, the word duke comes from dux, which was a Roman military governor title

These aren't gender issues

Bruh

dux means leader

And?

in latin

In what language honey?

Ok, what empire spoke Latin?

Okay and?

It was the title of the subdivision of military governors

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